Roscoe w/Klotz Cables

[CactusmanDoug]

Hello Fellow Roscoeheads,

I recently purchased a couple of instrument cables (Klotz brand) that have absolutely improved my sound/tone over the junk $18.00 cables I was using. As most of you likely already know, this is another small thing that can be done to bring out the full Roscoe tone.

In other words, if you aren't using a high end cable to plug in your Roscoe, I would strongly suggest you do so...you will dig the results!

[VroomVroom]

Right on, Doug. Can you identify what has improved? Lows...highs...clarity...etc.?

[CactusmanDoug]

Originally Posted by VroomVroom

Right on, Doug. Can you identify what has improved? Lows...highs...clarity...etc.?

Hi Jerry,

Basically everything...improved definition in all frequencies is easily noticed and greatly enjoyed.

[Big Mother]

Originally Posted by CactusmanDoug

Hello Fellow Roscoeheads,

In other words, if you aren't using a high end cable to plug in your Roscoe, I would strongly suggest you do so...you will dig the results!

True that!

The Roscoe forum turned me on to http://www.bayoucables.com , I needed to get a cable that had a right-angle jack with enough clearance to snap all the way into my SKB (Monsters I had laying around did not fit all the way in). Bayou Cables makes a great (really, I mean great) cable for great prices. I will make all further instrument cable purchases with them.
Might be considered a subjective and nuanced improvement, but I believe quality cables do make a difference.

My agreeable $.02 worth

BM

[Gard]

Originally Posted by Big Mother

True that!

The Roscoe forum turned me on to http://www.bayoucables.com , I needed to get a cable that had a right-angle jack with enough clearance to snap all the way into my SKB (Monsters I had laying around did not fit all the way in). Bayou Cables makes a great (really, I mean great) cable for great prices. I will make all further instrument cable purchases with them.
Might be considered a subjective and nuanced improvement, but I believe quality cables do make a difference.

My agreeable $.02 worth

BM

Totally agreed, Butch is a good dude (I met him a few times when I lived in BRLA, and he was very helpful before I moved there), and makes a quality product for a very reasonable price.

I use Monsters now, and as they go away over time, I will replace them with Bayou's.



Any GOOD quality cable is a good investment. However, you can overspend (and Monster is overspending, but I got them at dealer cost when I was at Bass Central, and the "no question" warranty was a good thing to have on the road), there is a lot of voodoo and snake oil salesmanship involved in some of this stuff, so caveat emptor! I did a lot of double-blind testing on a certain company's products a few years back, and NONE of their claims were valid, as far as we were able to discern. I especially view the whole power cable thing with great suspicion - you MIGHT hear it in a studio with really clean, well-regulated power, but on a gig at the typical bar, I don't believe you could hear the difference between a $0.50 Radio Shack computer power cable and a $500 custom one.

[Big Mother]

Gard, totally off topic, but what is this about?

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[Gard]

Originally Posted by Big Mother

Gard, totally off topic, but what is this about?

Bacon Club Agent #86


Are you a Bacon Of The Month club member (I am).
Greatest food gift I've ever received.

Ah yes....

...well, that is a reference two things, first this thread:

Offical Bacon club

Which you must join...

...and my undying love of all things Maxwell Smart (the ORIGINAL version, please - nothing wrong with the new movie, but no one will ever do it better...), aka Agent 86.

[Snaxster]

Originally Posted by Gard

...Any GOOD quality cable is a good investment. However, you can overspend (and Monster is overspending... there is a lot of voodoo and snake oil salesmanship involved in some of this stuff, so caveat emptor! I did a lot of double-blind testing on a certain company's products a few years back, and NONE of their claims were valid, as far as we were able to discern. I especially view the whole power cable thing with great suspicion - you MIGHT hear it in a studio with really clean, well-regulated power, but on a gig at the typical bar, I don't believe you could hear the difference between a $0.50 Radio Shack computer power cable and a $500 custom one.

You all should listen to the man (this time, anyway. )

The worst example of this nonsense I have seen is in the audiophile community. Those poor people.

Consider this: over the course of about 20 years, I spent a total of thousands of person hours in recording studios, and doing sound design with synthesizers and signal processors, mixing and remixing, and watching recordists ply their craft with microphone placement, etc. And it ranged from no-name basements to A-list Manhattan studios. In retrospect, in all that time I met only a handful of people who, judged by their actions, had golden ears: individuals who could reliably hear deep subtleties in audio that normal people could not.

Based on this experience, I cannot believe that even 1% of the big spender audiophiles who claim they can hear differences between power cables (and audio couplings and other miscellany) are credible. Why? Because the chances of any human whosoever having that ability are tiny; thus the chances of a large percentage of people who can afford to spend $50k on a home stereo also having that ability are nil.

Let us not fall into the same trap of self-hypnosis and fear of embarrassment. Just use a good guitar cable, try not step on it too much, and enjoy your bass!

Thank you,

Snaxster

[lwrthnwhalepoop]

There's a lot of misinformation and downright fraud when it comes to all sorts of so-called "super-premium" connecting doo-hickies.

Check out this beauty: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshow...number=110-439

It's not a '58 Chateaux Margaux we're transmitting here. It's just electricity.

I'm not saying there's *NO* difference in quality, just that we need to be careful to get our money's worth. If the "super-premium" stuff is really better, they should easily be able to show that with empirical data. If they can't, don't buy it.

[Gard]

ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT DOLLARS FOR A DUPLEX OUTLET??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!



....YGBSM.....



...are there people out there that are truly that brainwashed by all of this stuff???

[dataBASS5]

Originally Posted by Gard

...are there people out there that are truly that brainwashed by all of this stuff???

I would pay $148 for a duplex outlet if it had a Roscoe "R" inlay on top/center.

Seriously though, I have a couple of $50-$100 power cables I got on deep discount. I use them because they are shorter and keep the back of my rack clean looking.

Originally Posted by Gard

I use Monsters now, and as they go away over time, I will replace them with Bayou's.

...(and Monster is overspending, but I got them at dealer cost when I was at Bass Central, and the "no question" warranty was a good thing to have on the road)

I too use Monster's. I had to replace one on the road in Rock Hill SC, luckily there was a GC in Charlotte open that day! Exchanged no questions asked!

I got my Monster's as a BARGAIN discounted assortment b/c some worked and some didn't. I took them ALL to S** A** and they traded all of them straight up. Now I have a couple in rotation and many brand new in blister packs waiting to be cracked open or sold.

[lwrthnwhalepoop]

Originally Posted by Gard

ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY EIGHT DOLLARS FOR A DUPLEX OUTLET??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!



....YGBSM.....



...are there people out there that are truly that brainwashed by all of this stuff???

That vendor must have a "Wall of Shame" in their lunchroom or warehouse listing the names of all the mental invalids that have bought these things. I want those names so I can sell 'em some $50 platinum-plated cat turds to use to tumble-polish their Rolexes and pinky rings. If I could find 20 - 25 such morons, Keith would have to put on a second shift.

[Gard]

I showed that to Keith, we're going down to Home Depot after we shut the shop for the night, buying a couple hundred bucks worth of duplex outlets and some gold spray paint....the Roscoe brand outlets will hit the 'net tomorrow at a truly amazing, and affordable price of $99.95 each, free shipping within the continental US.

...we are OBVIOUSLY in the wrong business...

[dataBASS5]

Originally Posted by Gard

...we are OBVIOUSLY in the wrong business...

Obviously, BUT! Don't stop making basses altogether until you finish my next one. And I'm sure that goes for everybody in here.

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by Gard

I showed that to Keith, we're going down to Home Depot after we shut the shop for the night, buying a couple hundred bucks worth of duplex outlets and some gold spray paint....the Roscoe brand outlets will hit the 'net tomorrow at a truly amazing, and affordable price of $99.95 each, free shipping within the continental US.

...we are OBVIOUSLY in the wrong business...

Shucks, I'll buy just about anything with the Roscoe "R" logo on it! ..... Now I did say just about anything!

I use monster cables too.......I can't say that I've ever really heard any major difference from them and other decent cables (Belden wire/Switchcraft ends).

Although once I thought I did .......turned out I was just concentrating too much though!

[VroomVroom]

I'm seeing a cross-marketing deal here. Cue dream sequence...

You just bought a Roscoe bass. A Roscoe! Congratulations. Now that you're in the bigs, please tell me you're not still running a measly 14-gauge power cable into a pedestrian duplex outlet. Not when Keith and Uncle Gard now offer the new SKBCenturyLG GOLD STANDARD lineup of Clean Power Plus cables and outlets. Buy now, at special introductory pricing. Do it. You've got a Roscoe, for gawdsakes.

Perhaps I did hit the coffee a little hard this morning. Nonetheless, great advice in this thread. Buy good, but don't buy hype. Being less than two miles away from Monster, I have big issues with those guys, but if they work for you, spot-on. There are certainly plenty of great brands out there... a la Klotz. Personally, I dig Fulltone cables for their sound, and the added bonus that they connect beautifully to the recessed jack of your favorite Roscoe bass.

[chadds]

I used Monsters for a long time. When I moved to a more hi-end rig the Bayous showed that the Monsters had attenuated highs that appear in reverse to give a bass boost. Suddenly I was hearing all these mids and highs with balance through whole spectrum.

Alternately when using my old pro rig I would set the eq flat with reduced treble and tweeter almost off the effect of the Monsters was minimal and or desirable. My Roscoe would just tear through that rig. I needed the reduced highs. It sounded great. I gigged and recorded a lot of years with that rig/cables + Roscoe!

[Fishheadjoe]

and I must be one of them!
I admitt, the day I bought my Roscoe, I also bought a new cord for it! After laying down the card to buy my LG, the store owner says to me, " your not going to use an old cheap cable with that new bass?"
So I bought an "Analysis Plus" cable for an embarrassing amount of money. Funny enough, I don't use it because it's just to stiff! It balls up after a very short time, and honestly I can't tell if it make a difference in the sound!
Fishheadjoe

[tdmorley]

Originally Posted by dataBASS5

I would pay $148 for a duplex outlet if it had a Roscoe "R" inlay on top/center.

and a nice (say red malle burl) cover

[CactusmanDoug]

Originally Posted by VroomVroom

I'm seeing a cross-marketing deal here. Cue dream sequence...

You just bought a Roscoe bass. A Roscoe! Congratulations. Now that you're in the bigs, please tell me you're not still running a measly 14-gauge power cable into a pedestrian duplex outlet. Not when Keith and Uncle Gard now offer the new SKBCenturyLG GOLD STANDARD lineup of Clean Power Plus cables and outlets. Buy now, at special introductory pricing. Do it. You've got a Roscoe, for gawdsakes.

Perhaps I did hit the coffee a little hard this morning. Nonetheless, great advice in this thread. Buy good, but don't buy hype. Being less than two miles away from Monster, I have big issues with those guys, but if they work for you, spot-on. There are certainly plenty of great brands out there... a la Klotz. Personally, I dig Fulltone cables for their sound, and the added bonus that they connect beautifully to the recessed jack of your favorite Roscoe bass.

Absolutely there are alot of gimmicks and what all for any specialty industry where the consumer would be willing to spend extra for something that would enhance what they've already spent a load on. Some producers fraudulently exploit that desire within the special industry consumer for financial gain.

However, someone that currently owns 2 Roscoes for the reason of tone and playability (beauty is just an extra that would quickly grow dim if you don't love playing them) with an investment of $6800.00 including electronic customization might very well be stopping short by NOT buying cables (instrument) that are going to make them actually sound better...even if they happen to get popped another $70.00 or so (can I get a witness, Data?).

As far as power cords go, I can't figure anyway anything's going to streamline the electric current with a custom line from the wall to the head. We've all fallen victim to the hype over performance presentation at different times in our lives yet common sense and experience helps us avoid future sucker shots as we go down life's path.

Being self employed over half my life and dealing with many different personalities, the things that I consider to be more annoying than mass marketing schemes are broken promises within personal business transactions where people arrogantly refuse to bring a performance to their words or make things right according to their words. IHMO a man is ONLY as good as his word.

This is something I so appreciate within the TB crowd. With everything I've sold in the classifieds, folks have done exactly what they've said they would do and behaved honorably.

All the best,

Doug