A shout out to Roscoe heads.. help me in my search?

[Jerry Ziarko]

I have put a similar post on the accessories wanted forum ,but since this pertains exclusively to Roscoe basses, I thought I might have better luck here. I am looking for a Roscoe voiced Demeter pre that someone tried and decided it wasn't for them. Looking at many of the posts on the Roscoe forum, I have noticed that pre's get changed more often by Roscoe-heads than strings get changed on a similar Fender site. I currently have a Bart three band, but really want to try a Demeter. Before I contact Demeter to see if they will build me one, I thought I would totally exhaust the possibilities of finding one on TB. If so, I would hope it would be wired to pots (stackable bass/treble) and mid shift switch.
And while I'm at it, another question: Has anyone ever changed the bridge pickup in an LG3005 to match the neck pickup. I know they are voiced differently, and having both the same seems like an interesting possibility. The opinion of someone that has actually done it would be quite valuable.
Thanks for any help............

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by Jerry Ziarko

I have put a similar post on the accessories wanted forum ,but since this pertains exclusively to Roscoe basses, I thought I might have better luck here. I am looking for a Roscoe voiced Demeter pre that someone tried and decided it wasn't for them. Looking at many of the posts on the Roscoe forum, I have noticed that pre's get changed more often by Roscoe-heads than strings get changed on a similar Fender site. I currently have a Bart three band, but really want to try a Demeter. Before I contact Demeter to see if they will build me one, I thought I would totally exhaust the possibilities of finding one on TB. If so, I would hope it would be wired to pots (stackable bass/treble) and mid shift switch.
And while I'm at it, another question: Has anyone ever changed the bridge pickup in an LG3005 to match the neck pickup. I know they are voiced differently, and having both the same seems like an interesting possibility. The opinion of someone that has actually done it would be quite valuable.
Thanks for any help............

Good idea Jerry!

I think that you'd really like the sound of the Demeter in your ash Roscoe. Also, after thinking about it, if Demeter isn't willing to build you a "Roscoe" Demeter, with the ash body you might like the voicing of the mids with the std. Demeter (you'd just have to spec it with concentric bass & treble and the Mid sw.) The ash Roscoes that I've heard seem to have a bit more emphasis on upper mid freq's.

[Jerry Ziarko]

Originally Posted by JOME77

The ash Roscoes that I've heard seem to have a bit more emphasis on upper mid freq's.

They certainly do...........

[phishaholik]

Please post if you talk to Demeter about building you one. I've been wanting one too for my LG3000.


Thanks

Mike

[chadds]

Oh dear Audere. Great people over there, will take the time to " 'splain it to you Lucy". This is the new option for Roscoes. Do you desire subtley or bigness? The AGs particularly the OPB-3 are transparent. But kick when asked. I like a pre to do something otherwise I'd wire my pu to the output jack and move on.

[Gard]

Originally Posted by chadds

Oh dear Audere. Great people over there, will take the time to " 'splain it to you Lucy". This is the new option for Roscoes. Do you desire subtley or bigness? The AGs particularly the OPB-3 are transparent. But kick when asked. I like a pre to do something otherwise I'd wire my pu to the output jack and move on.

David at Audere is wonderful to deal with. I was intrigued by the preamp when I first read about it, when I heard one I was impressed, but what sold me on "selling" it to "Roscoe Guitars, Inc." and our customers was plain and simple David himself.

First rate guy, very VERY knowledgeable (he's already been a big help on some stuff that is non-Audere related!), and always happy to share his insight.

That said, while I will fight to the death to keep the Audere in my fretless, the OBP-3 is going in my fretted. It's a bit more aggressive and what I'm looking for for that bass.

[Jeff Moote]

Originally Posted by Gard

First rate guy, very VERY knowledgeable (he's already been a big help on some stuff that is non-Audere related!), and always happy to share his insight.

I can attest to this - I emailed David to ask about getting a preamp to put in my Roscoe (the SKB which I've since sold) and he was very helpful. When he realized that I knew my way around electronics, he didn't hesitate to talk to me about the technical stuff. I really appreciate this, since manufacturers will often treat customers like they don't know anything.

I'm glad that Roscoe and Audere are able to partner in this way - they are two first class businesses for sure

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by Jeff Moote

I'm glad that Roscoe and Audere are able to partner in this way - they are two first class businesses for sure

My only concern is that it will eventually cause GAS down the road!

[J.Wolf]

Yes,

David is indeed The Man! He's been very helpful with me, and been very accomodating to my specific needs. I dig my audere, and I like knowing I'm supporting a good guy!!!!!

[Jeff Moote]

Originally Posted by JOME77

My only concern is that it will eventually cause GAS down the road!

Good thing I killed that one out of the gate and just ordered it right away

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by Jeff Moote

Good thing I killed that one out of the gate and just ordered it right away

LOL!

Now that's what I call nipping it in the bud!

[Halftooth]

Originally Posted by JOME77

My only concern is that it will eventually cause GAS down the road!

Yes it will, and you know where to get your beano.

[maurilio]

Originally Posted by Jerry Ziarko

I have put a similar post on the accessories wanted forum ,but since this pertains exclusively to Roscoe basses, I thought I might have better luck here. I am looking for a Roscoe voiced Demeter pre that someone tried and decided it wasn't for them. Looking at many of the posts on the Roscoe forum, I have noticed that pre's get changed more often by Roscoe-heads than strings get changed on a similar Fender site. I currently have a Bart three band, but really want to try a Demeter. Before I contact Demeter to see if they will build me one, I thought I would totally exhaust the possibilities of finding one on TB. If so, I would hope it would be wired to pots (stackable bass/treble) and mid shift switch.
And while I'm at it, another question: Has anyone ever changed the bridge pickup in an LG3005 to match the neck pickup. I know they are voiced differently, and having both the same seems like an interesting possibility. The opinion of someone that has actually done it would be quite valuable.
Thanks for any help............

Hi, just my two pesos....
before spending any cents, try wiring the pups in parallel... easy, cheap and reversible!

I know what you mean about the bridge pup and the high mids... trust me, try it... than look for a different pre, incase!

Cheers

M

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by Halftooth

Yes it will, and you know where to get your beano.

You know it!

[Jerry Ziarko]

Originally Posted by maurilio

Hi, just my two pesos....
before spending any cents, try wiring the pups in parallel... easy, cheap and reversible!

I know what you mean about the bridge pup and the high mids... trust me, try it... than look for a different pre, incase!

Cheers

M

Actually on the advice of a previous post of yours, that is exactly what I did Mon night. My obsevations: What it does do is smooth out the mids, so much so that I actually added some low mids back in. That was not possible wired in series. The top end got much more of a hi fi sound to it. I had to dial them back a tad, but the frequency point makes much more sense to me. The low end is where it leaves me a little empty. The lows have to be boosted almost all the way to get any girth to the sound. Even at that setting, the lows do not blossom as they do wired in series. Overall, the tone is much more to what I am looking for but so much eq has to be dialed in to try to get those lows there, I feel it still comes up a bit short. I'm really thinking it's time to change the pre. By what I'm describing, which pre gets me close? Demeter, Aggie ??
As far as the bridge pickup goes, I found out something a bit interresting. I talked with someone at Bartolini on Mon, and he told me that the BRIDGE pick up is the one with more low end, and the honk is probably coming from the K pu at the neck position. This makes absolutely no sense to me. When wired in series the bridge pu can't be soloed. In parallel, it sounds pretty good! He said adding another C pu would reduce that honk sound. HUH?? Anyway I asked about the Classic Bass Barts, and was told they add more upper mids and highs, but are a bit thinner on the low end. More upper mids I do not need. I will get this figured out. The bass sound very nice and even unplugged, so it is possible.

[maurilio]

Originally Posted by Jerry Ziarko

Actually on the advice of a previous post of yours, that is exactly what I did Mon night. My obsevations: What it does do is smooth out the mids, so much so that I actually added some low mids back in. That was not possible wired in series. The top end got much more of a hi fi sound to it. I had to dial them back a tad, but the frequency point makes much more sense to me. The low end is where it leaves me a little empty. The lows have to be boosted almost all the way to get any girth to the sound. Even at that setting, the lows do not blossom as they do wired in series. Overall, the tone is much more to what I am looking for but so much eq has to be dialed in to try to get those lows there, I feel it still comes up a bit short. I'm really thinking it's time to change the pre. By what I'm describing, which pre gets me close? Demeter, Aggie ??
As far as the bridge pickup goes, I found out something a bit interresting. I talked with someone at Bartolini on Mon, and he told me that the BRIDGE pick up is the one with more low end, and the honk is probably coming from the K pu at the neck position. This makes absolutely no sense to me. When wired in series the bridge pu can't be soloed. In parallel, it sounds pretty good! He said adding another C pu would reduce that honk sound. HUH?? Anyway I asked about the Classic Bass Barts, and was told they add more upper mids and highs, but are a bit thinner on the low end. More upper mids I do not need. I will get this figured out. The bass sound very nice and even unplugged, so it is possible.

Hello,
about parallel, that's sound pretty acurate. Aside, for me, the Bart pre low ctrl works fine (mine is Ash/Bubinga/Ebony, tho)... for what you describe, I think the Aggie is better....
About the K and the C voice on Barts, I'm totally with you: the C has a lot of honk!

M

[Basso Gruvitas]

Jerry,
Where did you end up on this? I can't comment on the Audere, but the Aguilar is a great preamp! If you can't find a Demeter, you can find a used Aguilar 3-band for around $100-125.

Anyway, keep us in the loop.

[Jerry Ziarko]

Well actually, I did find a Roscoe voiced Demeter. (on the way, and great deal also!) If this doesn't do what I really think it will, it's off to Aggie land. Just for fun while I'm waiting, I'm going to experiment a bit. I'm going to swap the K and C PU's. I will also wire them back in series with the Bart pre. I don't plan on keeping them this way, but I want to see what they sound like in different positions. The Aggie OPB-3 does sound like a great pre, but the subtlety of the Demeter has really peaked my interest. As I stated previously, the bass sounds great unamplified. I need to take that sound, and make it louder. Just about every post written about the Demeter, and I have read several hundred, describe what I am after. Now as you know what one person describes as gold another describes as $%#& !!! so maybe this isn't it. To be honest many of the Demeter posts cross over with the Aguilar 3 band, and there isn't a whole lot anyone has said bad about the Aguilar either. I'm sure you know many prefer it over the Demeter. On a side note, I'm glad I don't have the pre yet. Last night as I was reaching into a drawer I felt a shap pain. As I pulled my hand out, there was a razor blade stuck on my right index finger all the way from the side to the nail. (I hate when that happens) It bled like a stuck pig for a few hrs. It finally got it stopped, but it hurts like a mother. So needless to say, I won't be doing any serious playing for a few days. One I get that Demeter in, I really want to give it a fair chance (many hrs) before deciding how to proceed.

[JOME77]

Originally Posted by Jerry Ziarko

Last night as I was reaching into a drawer I felt a shap pain. As I pulled my hand out, there was a razor blade stuck on my right index finger all the way from the side to the nail. (I hate when that happens) It bled like a stuck pig for a few hrs. It finally got it stopped, but it hurts like a mother. So needless to say, I won't be doing any serious playing for a few days.

Ouch!

That's a real bummer!
I did something really stuipid this summer too (not that what you did is stupid! ). I was pruning some bushes and somehow got my left index finger between the blades of the pruning shears! Ouch! It sliced it pretty good but I actually was lucky that the blades were parallel to my finger or it could cut my finger off.

Slap a band aid on that cut and break in the Demeter pre when it arrives! Hopefully you'll be grinning from ear to ear!

Merry Christmas!

[Jerry Ziarko]

Actually I put some of the glue stuff they sell in bowling centers on it, and it sealed up pretty well. I always keep a bottle of that around for emergency finger splits and cuts. It dries almost instantly, so much so that I have applied it between songs and been ready to go within seconds. The only bad thing is that it stings bad, so you have to grit your teeth and smile when putting it on. I remenber back in the 80's I was playing at a Playboy club. I was checking into a room while on break, and was fumbling around in my overnight bag. Somehow the cap had come off a disposable razor and sliced my fingertip about 20 times. The funny thing was I never felt it. It took about 8 band aids just so that the blood wouldn't soak through. I had to use a pick for the next few weeks.