SKB-3005 and Ampeg...... Yowza!

Baird6869 · #1 04-27-2009, 04:09 PM

I played a charity gig yesterday with 9 other bands and as hosting band, I supplied my SVT-CL head and MIA Ampeg 1x15 and 2x10 cabs to be used by all bassists.

I cannot believe how good a Roscoe sounds through 300W of all tube Ampeg! I have never had so many complements on my tone.

Incredible.

VroomVroom · #2 04-27-2009, 04:23 PM

Sweet! Any chance you have some sound clips?

Mojo-Man · #3 04-27-2009, 05:23 PM

I have big gas for a Roscoe.

I played a LG-3005 through a SVT Classic head.
Into a Classic 8x10 cab.

Can you say HUGE !!!!!

ubone · #4 04-27-2009, 05:42 PM

Roscoe gas pains are by far the worst. Thankfully, there is a cure. You know what that is, so do whatever it takes and go for it. You'll be glad you did..

Funkinthetrunk · #5 04-27-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Baird6869

I played a charity gig yesterday with 9 other bands and as hosting band, I supplied my SVT-CL head and MIA Ampeg 1x15 and 2x10 cabs to be used by all bassists.

I cannot believe how good a Roscoe sounds through 300W of all tube Ampeg! I have never had so many complements on my tone.

Incredible.

This was pretty much my main setup until I went with a smaller line up of Carvin's new BR515N.

I'd run my SKB-5 into my Ampeg SVT-CL with 8-10 & 2-15 cabinets....earthquake.

Baird6869 · #6 04-27-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Funkinthetrunk

I'd run my SKB-5 into my Ampeg SVT-CL with 8-10 & 2-15 cabinets....earthquake.

Earthquake is a good way of putting it.

I "out-bottomed" a Bongo and various Fender Ps.

davecheng · #7 05-20-2009, 10:08 PM

Okay, to dig up an old thread:

I played the LG3005 through an Ampeg 810 and SVT-5 Pro tonight on an r&b rehearsal. I don't really see what all the fuss is about--at least with respect to the "Roscoe tone".

It was all mud.

Sure, i could dial up a P-bass kind of tone, but if I wanted a straight-up P-bass sound, I'd have played the P-bass!

I switched the head up to a Little Mark II about halfway through to no avail. Dialing out low mids, dialing in high mids, dialing in VPF, nothing.

The big bottom, compressed mid-range up the neck, mid-panned bart/bart tone I default to for fingerstyle grooving was nowhere to be found. Neck pan sounded like a P. Mid pan sounded like a muddy P. Bridge bias sounded far too honky with no balls.

I guess I've been spoiled all this time by an Epifani/MarkBass setup (LMII plus UL112, UL110+UL112, or UL410).

Was it in this forum I read: "Anything but Ampeg"? hahaha

jimb213 · #8 05-20-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by davecheng

Okay, to dig up an old thread:

I played the LG3005 through an Ampeg 810 and SVT-5 Pro tonight on an r&b rehearsal. I don't really see what all the fuss is about--at least with respect to the "Roscoe tone".

It was all mud.

Sure, i could dial up a P-bass kind of tone, but if I wanted a straight-up P-bass sound, I'd have played the P-bass!

I switched the head up to a Little Mark II about halfway through to no avail. Dialing out low mids, dialing in high mids, dialing in VPF, nothing.

The big bottom, compressed mid-range up the neck, mid-panned bart/bart tone I default to for fingerstyle grooving was nowhere to be found. Neck pan sounded like a P. Mid pan sounded like a muddy P. Bridge bias sounded far too honky with no balls.

I guess I've been spoiled all this time by an Epifani/MarkBass setup (LMII plus UL112, UL110+UL112, or UL410).

Was it in this forum I read: "Anything but Ampeg"? hahaha

I'm a "anything but ampeg" guy. When I do a fly-in gig that's basically my tech rider. I say Genz Benz first, eden second, aguilar, trace elliot, ashdown 3rd, and end it with "basically anything but ampeg." Half of those gigs in the last year I still ended up with an ampeg...

one time it was a nice eden setup, and another it was a half-broken peavey combo... but I'm too easy-going to make a fuss about it, so I usually go with the flow and deal with having an amp I don't like...

All-tube ampegs can be great if you can crank 'em and get that nasty grindy tubey overdriven sound, but at almost all of my gigs where someone else provides the backline, low stage volume is necessary, so I can't drive the amp to get that sound, so it ends up being muffled mud.

Gard · #9 05-21-2009, 09:10 AM

No disrespect to the Ampeg guys out there, but I used to have the identical rider in my touring days, Jim.

My LEAST FAVORITE cabinet, EVER, is the SVT 810 cab. Just thump/punch, no definition, and NO @$$....sounds like a good cabinet with the EQ set to roll off all response below about 60hz, and a huge thick blanket over it.

All those speakers, no tone.

Gimme my Epi UL310 ANY DAY over that....

My "go to" on the road for backline-supplied gigs was to always request an Eden WT-800 and two D410XLTs (well, I really asked for XST's, but no one ever had 'em, so the default was the XLT).

davecheng · #10 05-21-2009, 08:02 PM

Good to know I'm not alone in this line of thinking...!

Funny, the Roscoe through the Amplitube AmpegSVX amp simulator on an SVT 810 doesn't sound half bad.

jimb213 · #11 05-21-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gard

No disrespect to the Ampeg guys out there, but I used to have the identical rider in my touring days, Jim.

My LEAST FAVORITE cabinet, EVER, is the SVT 810 cab. Just thump/punch, no definition, and NO @$$....sounds like a good cabinet with the EQ set to roll off all response below about 60hz, and a huge thick blanket over it.

All those speakers, no tone.

Gimme my Epi UL310 ANY DAY over that....

My "go to" on the road for backline-supplied gigs was to always request an Eden WT-800 and two D410XLTs (well, I really asked for XST's, but no one ever had 'em, so the default was the XLT).

haha... the one gig where I wasn't disappointed in the backline was a WT-800 and one D410XLT. Loved the low/low-mid booty-shake it had... didn't like the rest of the range, though. For some reason I couldn't quite get the mojo my Genz Benz has. It was just a little too dark through the whole range... and I think if I added another 212 like I already have, it would get to that low end booty shake I liked so much in the Eden rig, with the rest of the Genz mojo I already love

So it's funny, though (or sad actually when you think about it), the sound company that did the sound for most of those fly-in dates never got the amp right for the guitarist, either. One of the guys I played with got exactly the amp he asked not to have (just like I got an ampeg SVT classic, he got a fender twin... the amp they get when they make assumptions and don't pay attention...), and the other guy I played with never got the amp he wanted. One time they got him a Marshall TSL combo, which is an amp I love, but it's way too hard rock/metal for him (he's more of a U2/Coldplay kinda guitarist). I think the only time he was satisfied at one of those gigs was when we drove to Houston and he took his amp... unless that was the show where he had the worst-sounding AC30 ever...

()smoke() · #12 06-05-2009, 11:32 PM

i played 4-string passives through an ampeg SVTII/810 rig for a while before i got my roscoe, always liked it...lately i've even been playing through the 810 for rehearsals just to keep from carrying cabs every week, even kinda liked the 'cut'

well, tonite we played a graduation party at a hotel with no PA support--carvin b1500 through ampeg 810, and let me say that i really wish i'd taken my accugrooves...gard, you said it, thump/punch, no @$$...i never really had the need to crank it up like this before, and i definitely didn't enjoy it--i ended up really cutting my high mids, then my mids, and was able to get a semi-decent sound towards the end of the set, but still...when i hit a note lower than E, just 'blah'...we had 2 violas on stage with us for a few tunes, and i was trying to lay back and put a 'pillow' under them--didn't happen! plenty of thump and cut, but couldn't get underneath them like i wanted

...now my problem is i need more speaker surface because my pair of tri112s doesn't get the volume i need before i'm pushing too much power into them

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gard

No disrespect to the Ampeg guys out there, but I used to have the identical rider in my touring days, Jim.

My LEAST FAVORITE cabinet, EVER, is the SVT 810 cab. Just thump/punch, no definition, and NO @$$....sounds like a good cabinet with the EQ set to roll off all response below about 60hz, and a huge thick blanket over it.

All those speakers, no tone.

Gimme my Epi UL310 ANY DAY over that....

My "go to" on the road for backline-supplied gigs was to always request an Eden WT-800 and two D410XLTs (well, I really asked for XST's, but no one ever had 'em, so the default was the XLT).

DannyV · #13 06-06-2009, 12:28 AM

()smoke(), sounds like you should look into the Acme cabinets. Two of those and that 1500 would move walls. Or you could try their 4x10s, if you'd prefer!

Seriously, I have a Low B 2, and love it. Clarity, punch, and low that just keeps heading for where the Russian subs like to hang out. Now, to improve the stuff going into it so that it sounds better...

CLJMB · #14 06-06-2009, 09:23 AM

I used to run my basses through an Ampeg 300w tube head and 8 x 10. More recently, i've used a number of good modern solid state heads running through an Acme Low B 2x10, Epifani UL12s, or Berg HT12s. Notwithstanding my opinion of Ampeg rigs (I no longer own the 8 x10 cab if that tells you anything), I ALWAYS got LOTS of comments from band members, soundmen, and audience members about how great my sound was when I used the Ampeg rig, regardless of the musical style or venue. I have never come close to getting the same amount of comments using the other rigs. In fact band member comments are: " yeah that sounds good but not as good as the Ampeg rig"

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Gard · #15 06-06-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CLJMB

I used to run my basses through an Ampeg 300w tube head and 8 x 10. More recently, i've used a number of good modern solid state heads running through an Acme Low B 2x10, Epifani UL12s, or Berg HT12s. Notwithstanding my opinion of Ampeg rigs (I no longer own the 8 x10 cab if that tells you anything), I ALWAYS got LOTS of comments from band members, soundmen, and audience members about how great my sound was when I used the Ampeg rig, regardless of the musical style or venue. I have never come close to getting the same amount of comments using the other rigs. In fact band member comments are: " yeah that sounds good but not as good as the Ampeg rig"

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That's because, in my experience, the average listener or band member believes bass should be "felt and not heard".

They've been conditioned to "good bass tone" equalling an indistinct rumble/punch, not a full-range tone with solid lows, a good defined low-mid punch, and lots of definition of the individual notes.

CLJMB · #16 06-06-2009, 03:26 PM

As usual you are 100% correct Sir Gard. The guitard's comment was the Ampeg "stayed out of his way" more than the other rigs.

JBFLA · #17 06-06-2009, 08:31 PM

Have to agree with DannyV re: ACME LowB2. After using a rack setup with a Demiter Pre and a PLX 1602 (and tired of schlepping that 35lb rack around), I picked up a Shuttle 6.0. Most of my gigs need only one cab, and the Shuttle/Acme/Roscoe combination kicks some serious rear end. I've thought about a Epi UL310 but I don't see the need at this point - better off saving up for a Roscoe LG3000 fretless (a not so subliminal hint to any Roscoeheads who may be considering selling theirs!).

lwrthnwhalepoop · #18 06-07-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyV

()smoke(), sounds like you should look into the Acme cabinets. Two of those and that 1500 would move walls. Or you could try their 4x10s, if you'd prefer!

Seriously, I have a Low B 2, and love it. Clarity, punch, and low that just keeps heading for where the Russian subs like to hang out. Now, to improve the stuff going into it so that it sounds better...

+100 for the Acme cabinets. I've been using the Low-B 4x10 and 2x10 for several months now. Very neutral and hi-fi, with lots of clean deep low-end. If you like what your bass sounds like in good headphones or studio monitors, you'll probably like the Acmes. If you like a cabinet to color your sound, the Edens or Epifanis are better options.

lwrthnwhalepoop · #19 06-08-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CLJMB

...The guitard's comment was the Ampeg "stayed out of his way" more than the other rigs.

Which, to insecure or divo gee-tards, is where the bass belongs - out of the way. Failure of the bassist to stay "out of the way" can touch off a bass vs. guitar volume war which, for the bassist, is analogous to being drawn into a p*ssing contest with a skunk.

()smoke() · #20 07-31-2009, 02:37 PM

well, i've just worked a trade deal with a TBer to get a pair of acme low-B2s for my accugrooves

i'll post back once they arrive and i've had the chance to play through them a bit...i'm excited

...also considering a micro head that fits in my gig bag so i don't have to carry the b1500 to rehearsal every time...so far i hear the shuttle 6.0 pairs well with a 4ohm B2--anyone else suggest other amps? LMII?

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Originally Posted by lwrthnwhalepoop

+100 for the Acme cabinets. I've been using the Low-B 4x10 and 2x10 for several months now. Very neutral and hi-fi, with lots of clean deep low-end. If you like what your bass sounds like in good headphones or studio monitors, you'll probably like the Acmes. If you like a cabinet to color your sound, the Edens or Epifanis are better options.