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Old 09-01-2010, 09:33 AM
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A Tale of an LG2005

I guess a little over two years ago before my M/C accident a fellow TBer acquired a Roscoe LG2005. When he traded for the bass, he knew it had a broken truss rod and it was very obvious it had been abused. He carried the bass to Keith and Keith tried to remove the truss rod, but back when this bass was built the truss rods were epoxied in place. The TBer brought the bass by my house I looked at it and knowing the issues I offered him a deal which he accepted, I just couldn't bare the thought of this bass being Frankensteined with a Jazz neck.

I called Keith and got the lowdown on the LG2005. The fingerboard on the bass is Brazilian Rosewood/Sapwood, even though back when this bass was built there was no extra charge for Brazilian Rosewood, well in today's market that wood is on the endangered species list so the fingerboard is an $1100 upgrade.

I talked to Keith about the neck and he said let's put a new neck on the bass, but I kept thinking about that beautiful Rosewood fingerboard and what it would cost today. I really had to give this some thought.

Fast forward to a month ago, I took the bass to Hanson and Crawford Luthiers, these guys do so some of the best instrument repair on the East Coast. They tried heating the neck and truss rod but couldn't get it to budge. We discussed routing up the back of the neck, chipping out the truss rod and putting a new one in then replacing the routed out area with Rosewood. Their thoughts were the chance of saving the fingerboard would be slim to none and they were not sure if they could maintain the structural stability of the neck. They offered to build an exact replica of the neck less the gorgeous Brazilian Rosewood/Sapwood fingerboard and in its place install a piece of Bolivian Rosewood or what ever wood I wanted.

After some thought, it just wouldn't be a Roscoe if someone besides Keith and crew built the neck. So, I talked to the Gardfather and promised him Joe's next grandchild to have the repairs done.

When I drive down to pickup my new CS Plus (No Brown Truck Ride for it) I am going to drop off my LG2005 to have a new neck built and have the Wilkinson bridge replaced with a Hipshot bridge.

This is not the type of repair I would advise the average person have done due to the cost factor but call me crazy, a Roscoe is a terrible thing to waste. Oh, if you ever meet Mrs. Crash, you know absolutely nothing and you have never heard of me or the LG2005.

The specs on this bass are:

Neck: Maple/Purpleheart/Maple/Purpleheart/Maple (Purpleheart pin stripes)

Body: Ash
Top: Exhibition Quilt Maple
Electronics: Passive Volume/Volume/Tone
Pickups: EMG Active Soapbars
Tuners: Gotoh
Bridge: Wilkenson (Hipshot TBA)
Fingerboard: Rosewood/Sapwood (Something with Sapwood? TBA)

This tone on this LG2005 is so unique and very smooth sounding, extremely punchy with no harshness of mids at all. With the passive tone control you can barely tell the EMG pickups are active, it is like someone blended the tone of a passive "P" and "J" bass together.

I suck at recording so when the repairs have been completed I will have to get someone else to record the bass or you can hear it live at the next Greensboro GTG. Below are a few pictures. Maybe Gard will post pictures as the repairs move along.


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Old 09-01-2010, 10:20 AM
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Great story. Great bass. Kudos.

And, I'm a little jealous. One of Gard's finest comedic moments was a result of me asking for a new neck on an existing bass.
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Clint,
You're right. It would be terrible to un-Roscoe this bass. I just wish you could save that fingerboard.
Good luck with the rebuild. Can't wait to see the results.
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
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Is there no way to remove the neck from the fingerboard so save the fb? How about a belt sander on the neck to remove it?
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Old 09-01-2010, 12:39 PM
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Definitely a shame to lose that board. It goes with that top like PB & J. Still, I'm sure the new neck will be just as cool!

They're gonna have to name a corner of the shop after you with all the work you're sending their way these days!
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Old 09-01-2010, 02:13 PM
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Indeed, a shame to loose such a pretty fingerboard.
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Is there no way to remove the neck from the fingerboard so save the fb? How about a belt sander on the neck to remove it?
Sadly, no, that won't work.

We CAN get a fingerboard off (but don't recommend it), but getting it off in a usable capacity is essentially impossible. The only method we have would end up with a nice pile of Brazilian Rosewood dust...and reassembling it would be sort of tricky.

I'm sure we will find something that looks just as awesome with the top on it!
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Old 09-01-2010, 02:42 PM
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Is there no way to remove the neck from the fingerboard so save the fb? How about a belt sander on the neck to remove it?
I asked this very question to the guys at H&C here in Raleigh. It really inflated the cost of the job. Getting the old board off without splitting or damaging the wood, removing the frets, putting it on a ban saw to cut the board from the neck, putting it on a milling machine to get the surface smooth and trying to align the fret slots to ensure proper intonation. We even talked about filling the fret slots with epoxy and flipping the fingerboard over and slotting the backside so aligning the old fret slots up wouldn't be as much as an issue.

As much as I love the fingerboard from a monetary stand point it just didn't make sense to pursue this option.
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Old 09-01-2010, 02:46 PM
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I'm sure we will find something that looks just as awesome with the top on it!
Awesome is what always comes out of the shop!
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Sadly, no, that won't work.

We CAN get a fingerboard off (but don't recommend it), but getting it off in a usable capacity is essentially impossible. The only method we have would end up with a nice pile of Brazilian Rosewood dust...and reassembling it would be sort of tricky.

I'm sure we will find something that looks just as awesome with the top on it!
If you guys have to "recreate" a neck or replace it with a new one, I request a full Bass version of a New Orleanian Jazz funeral for the original.

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Old 09-01-2010, 03:29 PM
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Then just send back the body for a new neck and hang the old neck on the wall.
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Old 09-01-2010, 03:59 PM
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If you guys have to "recreate" a neck or replace it with a new one, I request a full Bass version of a New Orleanian Jazz funeral for the original.
How about Sicilian, because that is what Joe is going to face from Gard the next time he brings up the subject of black hardware on a standard.

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Old 09-01-2010, 04:33 PM
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Sadly, no, that won't work.

We CAN get a fingerboard off (but don't recommend it), but getting it off in a usable capacity is essentially impossible. The only method we have would end up with a nice pile of Brazilian Rosewood dust...and reassembling it would be sort of tricky.

I'm sure we will find something that looks just as awesome with the top on it!
Is steaming it off not viable then?

I assume you guys use a more agressive glue that prevents that from working?
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:47 PM
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Very Cool Clint!

That's awesome that it's getting a new neck (however, Gard can't have either of the soon to come additional grand kids on the way!).

If that bass sounds as sweet as the one that Bob (with EMG's) just got overhauled you will have a great variation of tones to your existing fleet of Roscoe's!

Hey, if you want to offset the cost of that new neck I'll give you $50 for the old neck and make it a shrine in my music room!

It's can be mounted on the wall next to the infamous "Barker" trophy!
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Is steaming it off not viable then?

I assume you guys use a more agressive glue that prevents that from working?
Epoxy. No dice on steaming it.
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How about Sicilian, because that is what Joe is going to face from Gard the next time he brings up the subject of black hardware on a standard.

The Gardfather strikes again.

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Old 09-01-2010, 04:53 PM
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It's can be mounted on the wall next to the infamous "Barker" trophy!
That thing has always had me curious...
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Epoxy. No dice on steaming it.
Ahhhh! You guys don't mess about with sticking bits of wood together, do ya!?!
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:55 PM
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How about Sicilian, because that is what Joe is going to face from Gard the next time he brings up the subject of black hardware on a standard.






regedit.......
find, "black hardware".......
delete all.........
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Hmmmppphhhh..... Me and a couple other boys from the gang could fix that right up for you Crash... Hey!!! Anybody seen my CHAINSAW???? As for the rare fretboard?? Ain't no problem, You pay for the trip and I'll cut you some fresh Brazilian Rosewood/Sapwood.. Ain't no tree huggers gonna stop me none....
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