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04-04-2011, 05:22 PM
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Okay, I was browsing the Circle K 6 string sets, and I wanted to see the heaviest gauge they had, right? And it kept going up and up and up! So, TalkBass, is this for real? 
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04-04-2011, 05:26 PM
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04-04-2011, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBasicBassist WHAT!? Man, I like high tension strings but I think even my Smith would be crying with that size "B" on it. | The Warwick Dark Lord Vampyre F#-B-E-A has a .175. Enough said.
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04-04-2011, 05:29 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Colorado | | Why not? If you want to get down to C0, you're going to need some heavy cable. You know, like they use in suspension bridges.  |
04-04-2011, 05:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Nashville, TN | | | They're for real, but a string like that is meant for going down into sub-contrabass range, like an octave below the normal "E" string or even lower than that. Circle K caters especially for string designed for extreme downtuning. |
04-04-2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tekhedd Why not? If you want to get down to C0, you're going to need some heavy cable. You know, like they use in suspension bridges. | How do you even get an amp to produce that frequency?
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04-04-2011, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Invisible_Kid Okay, I was browsing the Circle K 6 string sets, and I wanted to see the heaviest gauge they had, right? And it kept going up and up and up! So, TalkBass, is this for real? | Very very real.
The .136 set is for BEAD.
The .182 set is for F#BEA (ten notes below standard), which I have on my P-bass.
The .190 set is for EADG (octave below standard) and I believe that .254 is for low G#, 10 notes under low F#, or four notes above being 2 octaves below standard.
Very happy someone out there is doing this stuff, and helping people push the limits of their instruments and equipment more and more.
They also offer strings for tuning higher than standard which is pretty cool as well. Thinking about tuning my short scale F#BEA above standard to match my low F# bass an octave up.
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04-04-2011, 08:01 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Metro Detroit | | | An octave below standard?!! That's completely ridiculous. Is there a cab made that can handle it? I don't think so. |
04-04-2011, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig_S An octave below standard?!! That's completely ridiculous. Is there a cab made that can handle it? I don't think so. | I'm using amps, and a couple of my cabs that are from the 70's (other two are late 90/early 2000's) and they handle it just fine.
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Last edited by Metal Matt : 04-04-2011 at 08:13 PM.
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04-04-2011, 08:13 PM
| | | | Thats string is mean for the G that is ten half steps below a the F# on the Vampyre, I think. I'm not sure if that frequency is even audible, but it would definitely rattle the walls.
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04-04-2011, 08:54 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest Indiana | | | G#C#F#BEADG
Octave 00: G#00 is what the .254 string is for.
Octave 0: This would be the low B on a five string, and everything an octave below it.
Octave 1: Your low E and A in standard tuning.
Octave 2: Your D and G in standard.
Well, you get the point. We're not just talking about an octave below standard, we're talking more than an octave below the low B of a five string.
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04-04-2011, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Matt G#C#F#BEADG
Octave 00: G#00 is what the .254 string is for.
Octave 0: This would be the low B on a five string, and everything an octave below it.
Octave 1: Your low E and A in standard tuning.
Octave 2: Your D and G in standard.
Well, you get the point. We're not just talking about an octave below standard, we're talking more than an octave below the low B of a five string. | I read that G#0 is 25 some hertz. I think that's around 5 hertz above the lowest range of human hearing. Quote:
Originally Posted by Metal Matt I'm using amps, and a couple of my cabs that are from the 70's (other two are late 90/early 2000's) and they handle it just fine. | Okay, I'd seriously like to experience someone hitting a .254 G# and have it do anything. I doubt there's a cab that can do THAT.
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04-04-2011, 09:18 PM
|  | poppin in the corn belt | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: A tank of gas from Chicago | | | I ate some chilli today that produced something similar to a .254
I'd be hard pressed to make music with it. Maybe the Mothman bass could. |
04-04-2011, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Invisible_Kid How do you even get an amp to produce that frequency? |
Never mind the amp, what about a cab? 
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04-04-2011, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Matt I'm using amps, and a couple of my cabs that are from the 70's (other two are late 90/early 2000's) and they handle it just fine. | Matt, to be fair, aren't you using a .170-something for your F#? That's just a bit lighter than a .254
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04-04-2011, 09:22 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA | | Hey my GK 2000rb's power section has a frequency response of 1hz to 400khz, I guess when there's an amp there's got to be a cab somewhere?  Maybe you could just buy a bunch of passive sub subwoofers on the internet, if you're not willing to spend any money though just hang around here on talkbass, I guarantee you some monkey is going to come around and make his or her own custom cabinets that can go that low just for the heck of it.
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04-04-2011, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Invisible_Kid I read that G#0 is 25 some hertz. I think that's around 5 hertz above the lowest range of human hearing. | Yep! Human hearing physiologically cuts out around 20Hz. I'm all for super low frequencies regardless of hearing them or not. |
04-04-2011, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Invisible_Kid I read that G#0 is 25 some hertz. I think that's around 5 hertz above the lowest range of human hearing.
Okay, I'd seriously like to experience someone hitting a .254 G# and have it do anything. I doubt there's a cab that can do THAT. | Frequencies of Musical Notes Missing fundamental - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
We can hear tones as low and lower than 20hz with appropriate volume. Our hearing is less and less sensitive to sound the lower it is. In tunings under E1, we hear more of the second octave of the note, than the fundamental. Our brains will fill in the missing fundamental based on the other harmonics ringing out. Now, whether or not the fundamental is even there... The science says most cabs can't even produce the fundamental of a standard low E. With low F#, I can feel the fundamental more than hear it. Whether I'm truly hearing it at all, or it's just phsycoacoustics at play, well, I don't know. Whatever is happening, I'm happy with the result. Like I said, we can hear 20 hz or lower with the right volume. Low F# is 23hz, and I wonder if the high volume my band plays at has anything to do with me being able to hear it. But, I don't really care what my rig is actually putting out, as it gives me the result I want.
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04-04-2011, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SMILEYSIXX Matt, to be fair, aren't you using a .170-something for your F#? That's just a bit lighter than a .254 | .182, and I wasn't talking about my rig being able to handle G#00, I was talking about E an octave from standard, which I have tuned my .182 down to before.
I have no idea what C#0, let alone G#00 would sound like through my rig, or if my speakers could even handle it, but they handle F#0 just fine for me.
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04-04-2011, 09:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK | | The .254, .244 and .232 are for 3 different tensions of C#0, the string below F# that is below B. See the Circle K tension chart: http://circlekstrings.com/CKSIMAGES/...nsionChart.pdf
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Originally Posted by Invisible_Kid I read that G#0 is 25 some hertz ...
Okay, I'd seriously like to experience someone hitting a .254 G# and have it do anything. I doubt there's a cab that can do THAT. | 030.87 0 B ................ B
029.14 0 A# Bb
027.50 0 A
025.96 0 G# Ab
024.50 0 G
023.12 0 F# Gb ........ F#
021.83 0 F
020.60 0 E
019.45 0 D# Eb
018.35 0 D
017.32 0 C# Db ........ C#
016.35 0 C
15.43 00 B
14.57 00 A# Bb
13.75 00 A
12.98 00 G# Ab ........ G#
G#00 is 13 hertz. You can experience it with headphones, there's a wav. file at the Octave 4 Plus site, what you hear is the higher harmonics, not the fundamental frequency. O4P make strings for G#00 in gauges .262, .265 and .270.
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