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sbpark 02-04-2013 10:35 PM

Are D'Addario Chromes bad for a 'vintage' neck because of their high tension?
 
I'm asking because I put them on a '76 P-bass. Had to adjust the relief because these are higher tension strings compared to the D'Addario EXL Nickel Wound Rounds that were previously on there (.045 .065 .080 .100)

If these are not a good idea for an older instrument, are there any other 'bright' sets of flats out there similar to the Chromes, but lower tension?

Thanks!

king_biscuit 02-04-2013 10:43 PM

Your 76 Precision should have a pretty substantial neck. I wouldn't expect medium tension flats to cause any trouble, and truss rod adjustments are normal when switching string gauge/tension.

Edward G. 02-04-2013 10:45 PM

Solid-body instruments of any caliber at all aren't about to be damaged by a set of strings, y'know.

sbpark 02-04-2013 10:49 PM

I kind of thought so, but just wanted to make sure. I come from playing Telecasters, which are virtually indestructible guitars, and liken to Precision Bass to the tele as far as it's durability and utilitarian nature. I guess I just needed reassurance that my P-bass was of the same caliber as a Tele!

Edward G. 02-04-2013 10:54 PM

I'd say if you're worried about anything, just make sure all the screws on the bass are snug. Loose bridge, neck, tuner, and/or string retainer assemblies are bad in general.

sbpark 02-04-2013 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward G. (Post 13831453)
I'd say if you're worried about anything, just make sure all the screws on the bass are snug. Loose bridge, neck, tuner, and/or string retainer assemblies are bad in general.

Absolutely agree. I've already gone through the bass and snugged everything up recently!

bassbully 02-05-2013 02:21 PM

I have had them on my 70's Fenders all years of basses never an issue and no problem IMO.

JTE 02-05-2013 06:13 PM

Your bass came from the factory with Fender 850 flats, which had at least as much tension as Chromes.

John

96tbird 02-05-2013 07:15 PM

OP, This is why it has a truss rod in the first place: to counteract string tension.

sbpark 02-05-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 96tbird (Post 13836564)
OP, This is why it has a truss rod in the first place: to counteract string tension.

Thanks for the tip, but I know the purpose of a truss rod and what it's there for. As I mentioned, I adjusted the relief to compensate the higher tension strings. My question was pertaining to the fact that before I recently acquired this bass it ha apparently sat in the case with the previous set of strings on it for something like 25 years. I've never been fortunate enough to own an older instrument like this and was just making sure that it was ok to put the higher tension strings on after lower tension strings had been on there most likely for the entire life of the bass.

96tbird 02-05-2013 10:08 PM

Fair enough Truth is, anything can happen to a truss rod, brand spankin new or 40 years old. The wood is the least of your worries as long as it has not been kept stored in a wet environment or left baking in the Arizona sun. An old neck like that will be very stable now until it rots away; with proper care, certainly many decades. I guess the big picture is that it was made to be strung with steel under tension. So go forth and use what you like on it. Treat the truss rod with respect and a light hand and let it do its work in sharing the strain of the strings. Enjoy your bass. 8)

sbpark 02-05-2013 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96tbird (Post 13837298)
Fair enough Truth is, anything can happen to a truss rod, brand spankin new or 40 years old. The wood is the least of your worries as long as it has not been kept stored in a wet environment or left baking in the Arizona sun. An old neck like that will be very stable now until it rots away; with proper care, certainly many decades. I guess the big picture is that it was made to be strung with steel under tension. So go forth and use what you like on it. Treat the truss rod with respect and a light hand and let it do its work in sharing the strain of the strings. Enjoy your bass. 8)

Sweet! Thanks for the info. Much appreciated!

Jim Carr 03-03-2013 11:51 AM

I disagree somewhat with the "use 'em and don't worry" (paraphrased) advice.

You didn't state the exact gauge you are using, but I find the my vintage 1955 P-bass and vintage 1971 P-bass (with a '69 neck) set up better with lighter strings. I use the gauges you switched out, either Chrome flats or Ernie Ball Blue Steel flats.

Don't forget that the neck wood compresses, loses stiffness and camber, and that there are only so many turns on the truss nut, even with a washer or two. Go light on the old instruments is my advice. All IMHO.

michael_t 03-03-2013 03:45 PM

One thing to keep in mind is the generally stiffer nature of flats in comparison to rounds does not always translates to "higher tension" in terms of the linear pulling force exerted on the neck. It is sometimes confusing when the terms "tension" (ie pulling force) and "stiffness" (degree of flexibility) are used interchangeably.

For example, the total weight of D'A Chromes 40-100 is actually less than the XL Nickel rounds 45-105, which can't be that bad on any healthy neck, vintage or otherwise. The only reason why I downsized from 45-105 to 40-100 when I switched from rounds to flats was because of their stiffness.

FourBanger 03-03-2013 04:10 PM

According to D'Addarios tension sheets a given gauge Chrome is only slightly higher tension than a comparable XL or ProSteel.

They are stiffer because of how they are wound, not because they are ag a drastically higher tension.

mcm 03-03-2013 04:20 PM

No


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