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GC34 03-16-2013 03:07 AM

Double Wound Bass strings
 
I know guitar strings are single wound. Are bass strings double wound?

PilbaraBass 03-16-2013 03:14 AM

depending on the gauge...yes...

GC34 03-16-2013 03:20 AM

[quote=PilbaraBass;14039287]depending on the gauge...yes...[/QUOTE

Would a .0105 and .080 be double wound?

SLaPiNFuNK 03-17-2013 05:03 AM

It all depends on string brand and type...

DR for example had 6 windings in their 105 string.

GC34 03-17-2013 11:31 AM

Does being double wound strengthen the string? Does it make it stronger?

SLaPiNFuNK 03-17-2013 11:44 AM

Strength relies on the core size. TO have more windings on a thinner string the core will need to be thinner weakening the string. However if smaller diameter wrap wire is used like on the Dr E strings you can have more windings on a larger core.

SLaPiNFuNK 03-17-2013 11:46 AM

A great example...

A 020 plain steel string is all core..
A 020wound string has one winding around a thin core..

The 020w is weaker.

Ian_Flash 03-19-2013 03:26 PM

Generally, more windings on a thinner core produces a stronger FUNDAMENTAL... (all things being equal which they rarely are) - It does also give a more flexible FEEL, even if the tension at tuning is the same.

mmbongo 03-19-2013 08:40 PM

DR Hellborgs are single winding on a huge round core. Nothing BUT fundamental!

Ian_Flash 03-20-2013 03:39 PM

Not-so-super String Theory
 
Exactly! Round core = not = to hex core, another variable that achieves the same result. They have cool tension too. They use a round core and single wrap, a design which produces a STRONGER fundamental than the HARMONIC. Also, to a lesser degree, hex cores tend to emphasize ODD ORDER harmonics while round cores tend to favor EVEN ORDER harmonics. If you play a variety of styles, as I do, you could find yourself using several different strings on your instruments... possibly even specific to the gig.

PilbaraBass 03-22-2013 04:22 PM

Odd order harmonics produce a more triangular wave (growly)... Even order would probably sound a little more "hollow".

Bear in mind, these would be varying "shades" of one or the other and not extreme

tylerwylie 03-22-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLaPiNFuNK (Post 14043533)
It all depends on string brand and type...

DR for example had 6 windings in their 105 string.

I thought, going by that packing it was 3 windings, but when you measure across the string to get the gauge each winding is counted twice.

FunkMetalBass 03-22-2013 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian_Flash (Post 14062311)
Also, to a lesser degree, hex cores tend to emphasize ODD ORDER harmonics while round cores tend to favor EVEN ORDER harmonics.

I've never heard this before, but I'm intrigued. Source?

superHEAVYfunk 03-22-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian_Flash (Post 14062311)
If you play a variety of styles, as I do, you could find yourself using several different strings on your instruments... possibly even specific to the gig.

I have to do this, not because I understand (or even knew about) the difference between the types of cores, but rather because I like to use high tension strings most of the time but sometimes have to work gigs doing some disco-style slap bass and need something "slinky" and bright-sounding.

There's so much nuance imparted by the strings, not to mention how different types can cause you to play differently... I never, EVER thought about this stuff before I joined TB. I just rocked my P bass with flats and swapped them for rounds when needed. You guys are blowing my mind!

Ian_Flash 03-22-2013 06:53 PM

A source is a source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FunkMetalBass (Post 14073377)
I've never heard this before, but I'm intrigued. Source?

Tech data from various mfg. who use both types of cores. TI is one of them. Also, while training to be a Piano Tuner and a string winder, I learned about inharmonics and a whole bunch of stuff that we don't need to cloud our heads with. It's hard enough finding the time to play!

FunkMetalBass 03-22-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian_Flash (Post 14073738)
Tech data from various mfg. who use both types of cores. TI is one of them. Also, while training to be a Piano Tuner and a string winder, I learned about inharmonics and a whole bunch of stuff that we don't need to cloud our heads with. It's hard enough finding the time to play!

My non-music life consists of hardcore math and instrument-related physics. Filling my head with deep, potentially meaningless information is what I do best. :)

Ian_Flash 03-22-2013 10:30 PM

High Math
 
Very cool. I will send you some cool reference links in Planck Time.

FretlessMainly 03-22-2013 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian_Flash (Post 14062311)
Exactly! Round core = not = to hex core, another variable that achieves the same result. They have cool tension too. They use a round core and single wrap, a design which produces a STRONGER fundamental than the HARMONIC. Also, to a lesser degree, hex cores tend to emphasize ODD ORDER harmonics while round cores tend to favor EVEN ORDER harmonics. If you play a variety of styles, as I do, you could find yourself using several different strings on your instruments... possibly even specific to the gig.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilbaraBass (Post 14073155)
Odd order harmonics produce a more triangular wave (growly)... Even order would probably sound a little more "hollow".

Bear in mind, these would be varying "shades" of one or the other and not extreme

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian_Flash (Post 14074488)
Very cool. I will send you some cool reference links in Planck Time.

As a scientist, I'm really digging this thread. :)

Ian: If you wouldn't mind, please also hit me up with some references via PM. I'm a scientist who deals with math professionally and acoustics (for music). I've got a varied collection of basses that I use and I string them very differently. I'd love to have some scientific background for why what works where (or doesn't). I've probably tried a several dozen string types over 32 years of bass playing.

Thanks in advance!

walterw 03-23-2013 01:19 AM

yeah, that's a bold claim, it needs some backup!


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