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10-13-2001, 10:49 AM
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Who else has tried the 9050's and the Jamerson Flats?
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10-14-2001, 11:22 AM
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I have a rather long dedication to flatowund strings. I'm not saying that all roundwound players are a bunch of big Sallys, but I think you can get the deepest tone from flats and recording engineers make happy faces at you from the get go. I have tried them all and have found the really heavy Labellas to be the best. They definitelty take some work getting used to (the extra tension will give most players a good tussle), but I think it pays off in tone. I've found the Rotosounds to be a bit too growly and Pyramid strings are great, but they're just too damn expensive to seriously consider on my touring basses (you break a $20 A string on stage, it could really affect your demeanor for the rest of the set). The Fenders are ok, but nothing spectacular to my mind. |
10-15-2001, 05:33 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ferndale, Michigan USA | | | I've been using GHS med. gauge flats for a couple of months now. I like 'em, I can get a kind of string bass sound out of 'em. they seem to really bring out the tone of the wood more instead of the strings.
as far as slapping with flats, I heard Me'Shell Ndegeocello uses flats. |
10-15-2001, 09:03 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: I constatly move between Mexico City, and Regina, Canada. At the moment: Mexico City | | | Has anyone tried the LaBella (i think) 1/2 rounds? I saw them at the store and they come in sets of 5, so i like that. The guy said they had the "feel of a flat, but still has some of the brightness of a round". The ones i saw had my fave gauge too.. 45 to 130. Has anyone tried these?
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10-15-2001, 02:14 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by T. Alan Smith
Thanks for the info. Where do you recommend purchasing the Thomasik infelds?
T. Alan
 | I just ordered a set of T-I JF346 (Jazz Flats - 6 string set) from The Tuning Peg http://www.getstringscheap.com/ . They were about $7 cheaper than any other place I found on the web.
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10-17-2001, 08:24 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New York, USA | | | Oh yeah, to answer your question and perhaps lend a few suggestions: The TI flats are surely low tension, like many have stated. If you like that, you're in for a treat. If it's too hard to get used to and if you a play a 4 string, you might try installing the 32" scale set on your bass. The resultant tension will increase, the E is a little bigger (.106) and they will sound just as warm and rich. If you can't warm up to the lower tension issue, I would suggest Roto Sound flats. If you're prone to slapping your flats, then go for the Pyramid flats. The Pyramids have considerably higher tension, but they produce a pretty nice tone and respond well to diggin & slappin. |
10-17-2001, 11:41 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: South | | | Strong Fingers
Flatwound. Waht Guage do you recommend for the 9050's? Juststrings.com has these: FND_9050L Bass Guitar Stainless Steel Flatwound Long Scale 34", .045 - .095 $16.56
FND_9050M Bass Guitar Stainless Steel Flatwound Long Scale 34", .055 - .105 $16.56
FND_9050ML Bass Guitar Stainless Steel Flatwound Long Scale 34", .050 - .100 $16.56 |
10-17-2001, 02:23 PM
|  | Glutenous | | Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego | | | I actually haven't tried the 9050 M's, and I'm not sure if I'm going to. The 9050 ML's sound pretty good to me, and I think they're a significant improvement sound-wise over the L's, particularly on the G string. And while I hate to disagree with Thomguy , who I've seen on other boards and have a great deal of respect for, I think the 9050's are better than the Roto's for a traditional flatwound sound. I tried the Roto's and found them to be very bright, and without the thump associated with the 9050's.
The TI's are awesome strings, I just couldn't get used to their wiggly feel. So I'm using the 9050's, and so far, they sound better than anything else I've used except the Thoms.
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10-17-2001, 02:33 PM
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Think I will try the 9050ml on your advise. I use round wound on my Jazz basses, but I am setting up one of p's for that "smooth" sound and know very little about flat wounds. I would try the TI's, but they are a little to $ for just trying. |
10-17-2001, 03:17 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New York, USA | | | I misread a little bit and have to agree with Flatwound in regard to a more traditional flat wound tone. For that you'll find the 9050's deliver nicely. I was thinking that the original player was hoping for a livelier flat, such as a Roto or a Pyramid as (from what I remember) they are brighter, for a flatwound that is. |
10-22-2001, 09:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Waterport,NY | | | Pyramid Golds for flats,personaly I think there the best and will last about a year with heavy playing.Remember to always wipe your strings with a clean cloth after you play. |
10-23-2001, 10:16 AM
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Again, more great info! Everyone here is making me anxious for Jan. 20th to arrive! That's when my MM Stingray should be at my doorstep.
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10-25-2001, 08:32 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Perth, which is on the empty end of Australia. | | | When I bought my bass (from a pawn shop) they didn't have a case for it. So, I asked them for a case and they gave me this jazz bass shaped case. My baby rattles around in there a bit but I don't mind.
Anyway, when I got her home for the first time I realised that sitting in the bottom of the case were a set of new flatwound strings. I think they were Thomastik-Infelds or something. Had Jazz Flats written on the packet.
A while ago I decided to try them out on my bass, just to see if flatwound strings were any good, and I couldn't stand them. They were clanky and trebly, far more than my nicely worn in rounds. The bottom end was kind of nice, but there was far to much "sproink" happening for my taste.
In terms of playability, things were even worse. They were floppy. They somehow managed to feel stiff at the same time. The action looked to be OK but I was getting buzzes all over the place (It could have been me playing too hard). And the worst thing of all was the feel of the string on my fingers. The surface was smooth and shiny, and 'grabbed' on to my fingertips in a most disagreeable way. Slides and shifts were out of the question.
So... what went wrong? If flatwounds do actually have nicer thump and bottom end, and they only need to be worn in to feel nice, I would love to switch to flats. I don't have much use for excess treble. Is it worth another try? Go for groundwounds? Take up piano?
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10-25-2001, 09:40 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: New York, USA | | | Hmmm, interesting. That's almost the opposite of what I usually hear about flatwound, ours or otherwise. Flats usually have more tension on them them than rounds made of the same materials with similar gauging. But, if you were playing TI nickel flats, for instsnce, and those replaced stainless steel Roto's or whatever was on that bass, the tension would be considerably lower with the flats and the experience not satisfying. I love the tone of flats (in the hands of a better bassist that is) but I play rounds. I like a higher tension and the punch of stainless steel. The flats feel very smooth and sound warm and rich, but I don't play music that supports such things. I like agreesive, purcussive, big-bottom with expanded mid range to slap with, so I play stainless steel rounds with considerably more tension than nickel flats. Ground wound strings are essentially round wound, at the core that is. The tonal characteristics will be similar as the windings touching the core are round but the windings touching you fingers have been ground down to feel flat. Another thing adding to the stiffness you described is how the flat windings touch each other. With ground wounds, the windings are right against each other resulting in a stiffer string. If your trying to get more bite from your bass and you like the idea of playing on smooth strings with these properties, then they may just be the strings for you. If you want more of a warm jazz fundamental and you don't slap a lot, then I suggest flats. Nickel flats to be exact. Among the lowest tension flats are indeed the TI's and the highest I've found are Pyramid flats. They're not cheap, but will pay for themselve's in the long run as they last and last. Somewhere in the middle (tonally,tension-wise and price) are Fender flats, not a bad place to start. If you have some tension or setup concers while searching for new strings, feel free to contact me directly to dicuss it further. My information is in my profile. Good luck and keep us posted! |
10-26-2001, 09:36 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Perth, which is on the empty end of Australia. | | | I don't slap at all. The sound of flats as I hear other people playing them is just what I want, but it's not what I got when I tried them out. And the friction issue is enough to deter me from making experiments, because if I buy another set of flats and get the same problem, I can't just leave them on and make do.
Hmmmm. Maybe it's time to try out some basses in a store which have flats on them.
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