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Old 08-22-2008, 08:14 AM
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This has probably been discussed a tonne, but what do different string gauges do for the sound of a fretless? I'm thinking of getting lighter gauge strings, but what do you guys prefer and why?
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Hi rarisgod,

I always hesitate to describe tone. Your "bright" tone could be the same as my definition of a "punchy" tone and the breakdown in communication ensues...

What I can tell you is that heavier gauge strings will require more tension than light gauge strings when tuned to pitch. Thus, the heavier strings will feel tighter when you play whereas lighter strings will feel looser and be "floppier." You might just need to try both to discover the kind of strings you prefer.

Different gauge strings can change your tone, don't get me wrong. Since the heavier gauge strings are under more tension, their vibration pattern will be narrower. Thus, with heavier strings, you might get less of that buzzy, low-action fretless sound than you would with lighter strings (see there I go, describing tone...). It is possible that the effect would be too subtle to hear though...

Also, you might have to re-adjust the setup of the bass for the new string gauges (you might already know that though).
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Hi rarisgod,

I always hesitate to describe tone. Your "bright" tone could be the same as my definition of a "punchy" tone and the breakdown in communication ensues...

What I can tell you is that heavier gauge strings will require more tension than light gauge strings when tuned to pitch. Thus, the heavier strings will feel tighter when you play whereas lighter strings will feel looser and be "floppier." You might just need to try both to discover the kind of strings you prefer.

Different gauge strings can change your tone, don't get me wrong. Since the heavier gauge strings are under more tension, their vibration pattern will be narrower. Thus, with heavier strings, you might get less of that buzzy, low-action fretless sound than you would with lighter strings (see there I go, describing tone...). It is possible that the effect would be too subtle to hear though...

Also, you might have to re-adjust the setup of the bass for the new string gauges (you might already know that though).
I think I see what you're saying. My intent is to switch to lighter gauge strings, as I've used them on my other basses to much better results, but I wasn't sure how much difference there was between fretted and fretless.

I had heard about adjusting the setup when changing string gauges, but what would occur if I didn't do this?
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The more flexible, supple feel and relaxed tension of lighter-gauge strings is very good for generating a more expressive tone, with more mwah, on fretless bass...

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I'll go with Mystic on this one. I used to play .45-.105 gauge on my fretless, and was not happy with my sound. It didn't sound fretless-y enough. The local guy who services things around here (a bassist himself) suggested I go .40-.100 because it gets more of a "mwah" sound. I found he was right.
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I was thinking the same thing, so I figured I would ask, since I know there's always someone who knows for sure on TB. Thanks guys! I'll be switching to a lighter gauge ASAP!
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I had heard about adjusting the setup when changing string gauges, but what would occur if I didn't do this?
On some instruments, nothing happens at all if you change string gauges and don't get an adjustment. Keep in mind that every instrument is different (even two of the same make and model) though, and there are always exceptions to the rules when it comes to basses and guitars.

What should happen according to physics is this:

Since you are changing to a lighter gauge there will be less tension on the neck, so the neck may lose some relief (upbow). As long as the fretless doesn't start to buzz, you won't have to do anything about this. If it does start to buzz (and assuming the buzz is from the lack of relief), the truss rod should be loosened slightly to give a tiny bit of relief back to the neck.

Another thing that may happen is the intonation could go slightly sharp (that is, your fretted octaves and higher notes could be slightly sharp compared to your open notes). As you "fret" the strings to the fingerboard in the higher positions, the strings will stretch, causing the note to go slightly sharp. You correct for this by moving your saddles back slightly.

The reason the bass might go slightly sharp in the upper positions is that the lighter gauge strings will stretch more than the heavier gauge strings (because they are under less tension). Thus, heavier gauge strings will require saddles that are farther forward (towards the neck) than lighter gauge strings. As you are changing to lighter gauge strings, the saddles are probably already set for heavier gauge strings and may be too far forward, making the higher notes slightly sharp. Fortunately, this is a relatively easy adjustment to make.

Also, if you change the gauge of the strings drastically, you may need to widen or narrow the nut slots to accomodate the different size strings (wrong-size nut slots can cause buzz and tuning issues). Fortunately, an increase or decrease of .005" doesn't usually cause problems at the nut, so in all likelihood, you won't have to worry about this issue.

Note: If you know how to set your intonation, and have experience safely adjusting truss rods, you can do all of these adjustments yourself. If you don't have experience doing these adjustments, especially to the truss rod, you should speak to a professional before you try to make adjustments.

And remember, every instrument is different. Sometimes you need adjustments with new strings, sometimes you don't and its your call whether or not you have any adjustments done.

Sorry about the exceedingly long post. Hopefully you find that info useful. Oh, and trust me, changing string gauges is not as scary as this post makes it sound!

Let me know if you have more questions. Enjoy that fretless!
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