high tension bass strings,low gauge

\m/cliffB\m/ · #1 10-14-2010, 08:16 AM

I like want a set of strings that have a relatively low gauge to them but have a tight tension on them.

I heard flats have that but I rather rounds because I like brightness with my low end (Marcus millerISH)

I play in a low tuneing so ya.

Iv used roto flats but as I said no brightness after a while(mmmmm i had a nice warm sound for jazz tho

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Ideas TB

Nashrakh · #2 10-14-2010, 08:20 AM

Something about not being able to have the cake and eat it comes to mind...

Hmm, tried round core strings yet? I figure they may have the most tension in relation to gauge (though I may be mistaken there), flatwounds aside.

\m/cliffB\m/ · #3 10-14-2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nashrakh

Something about not being able to have the cake and eat it comes to mind...

Hmm, tried round core strings yet? I figure they may have the most tension in relation to gauge (though I may be mistaken there), flatwounds aside.

yes its like haveing my cake and eatting it too XD

i like it thin and tight (thats whats she said)

dmusic148 · #4 10-14-2010, 08:32 AM

Round cores have less tension per gauge, not more. DR LoRiders might suit you.

Nashrakh · #5 10-14-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dmusic148

Round cores have less tension per gauge, not more.

But, wouldn't round cores have more mass than say, a hex core? That's what's making me think they have more tension, but as said, I'm more than likely wrong there.

\m/cliffB\m/ · #6 10-14-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dmusic148

Round cores have less tension per gauge, not more. DR LoRiders might suit you.

ima make this simple
tight strings with out the big @$$ gauge
i play 95-40 GHS on my fender jazz
and ony my t-bird i want something tight and light to down tune

dmusic148 · #7 10-14-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nashrakh

But, wouldn't round cores have more mass than say, a hex core? That's what's making me think they have more tension, but as said, I'm more than likely wrong there.

You'd think so, but no. I have no idea why but it's true, at least for DR strings.

dmusic148 · #8 10-14-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by \m/cliffB\m/

ima make this simple

Imma make THIS simple- go buy a set of DR LoRiders, 40-100 or 40-95 gauge. Nobody can tell you if you'll like a given string or not- you"ll have to try them. Simple.

varunkapahi · #9 10-14-2010, 08:54 AM

lo riders for you

\m/cliffB\m/ · #10 10-14-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dmusic148

Imma make THIS simple- go buy a set of DR LoRiders, 40-100 or 40-95 gauge. Nobody can tell you if you'll like a given string or not- you"ll have to try them. Simple.

i go to drop c with my currant metal band go a little heavyer?

Metal Mitch · #11 10-14-2010, 11:14 AM

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i go to drop c with my currant metal band go a little heavyer?

A standard 4 string Lo Rider set won't go that low and retain the tension.

The DDT 55-115 set could work, but the low C will be loose and the other 3 strings will be very tight.

For that tuning your best bet is probably a custom set using 3 strings from a heavy 4 string set, and a light .120 low B tuned up instead of down.

dmusic148 · #12 10-14-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Mitch

Lo Riders won't go that low and retain their tension. Go with the DDTs from DR.

+1. They're meant for it.

ixlramp · #13 10-14-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by \m/cliffB\m/

I like want a set of strings that have a relatively low gauge to them but have a tight tension on them.

You could make strings out of a neutron star ...

ixlramp · #14 10-14-2010, 03:36 PM

Okay so tension is proportional to the unit weight of a string, so you're looking for the highest unit weight for a particular gauge, the highest density. Here are unit weights for D'Addario strings and Circle K strings of gauge .100 ...

D'Addario
Nickelplated roundwound .00180
Pure nickel half-round .00185
Chromes steel flatwound .00189
Prosteels roundwound .00169

Circle K Strings
Hybrid steel / nickel roundwound .00190

Circle K Strings seem to have the densest and therefore tightest .100, it's even denser than a Chromes flatwound. They're also super-flexible so should 'feel' flexible like a lower gauge would.

I don't have unit weights for other string manufacturers so there may be a denser string out there somewhere but there's no way of knowing ...

\m/cliffB\m/ · #15 10-14-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ixlramp

Okay so tension is proportional to the unit weight of a string, so you're looking for the highest unit weight for a particular gauge, the highest density. Here are unit weights for D'Addario strings and Circle K strings of gauge .100 ...

D'Addario
Nickelplated roundwound .00180
Pure nickel half-round .00185
Chromes steel flatwound .00189
Prosteels roundwound .00169

Circle K Strings
Hybrid steel / nickel roundwound .00190

Circle K Strings have the densest and therefore tightest .100, it's even denser than a Chromes flatwound. They're also bright and super-flexible so should 'feel' flexible like a lower gauge would.

I don't have unit weights for other string manufacturers so there may be a denser string out there somewhere but there's no way of knowing ...

Very well detailed thing ... Ever one thanks so much u always help but I got another question

drop a#/Bb sould I get a custom set of 5s with a light b go down half step and really light EADG and go up half step on thoes throw out the g string (that's what she said

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ggunn · #16 10-14-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by \m/cliffB\m/

I like want a set of strings that have a relatively low gauge to them but have a tight tension on them.

Generally, the lighter the gauge, the lower the tension. There may be minor variations on that, but for the most part that's how it goes.

ixlramp · #17 10-14-2010, 09:41 PM

For drop C, keep the G string, leave out the E string.

.045 F 34 pounds tension
.060 C 34
.080 G 33
.125 C 35

Balanced tension equivalent to 95-40 tuned EADG.

Drop Bb ...

.050Eb
.070Bb
.090F
.135 Bb

Balanced tension equivalent to 95-40 tuned EADG.

4 string sets similar to these are available at Circle K Strings.

Metal Mitch · #18 10-14-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ixlramp

For drop C, keep the G string, leave out the E string.

.045 F 34 pounds tension
.060 C 34
.080 G 33
.125 C 35

Balanced tension equivalent to 95-40 tuned EADG.

Drop Bb ...

.050Eb
.070Bb
.090F
.135 Bb

Balanced tension equivalent to 95-40 tuned EADG.

4 string sets similar to these are available at Circle K Strings.

...and this is why the whole balanced tension fad is bollocks.

let's see some numbers where "balanced tension equivalent" is no less than 45-105. pretty soon you're gonna need a low F# string.

ixlramp · #19 10-15-2010, 11:32 AM

Metal Mitch, the tension equivalent of a 105 E would be a .150 Bb. Looks crazy big but to put it in perspective, it has 42 pounds of tension, while a traditional so called 'medium' set has a .065 D with 51 pounds of tension.

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Originally Posted by \m/cliffB\m/

i play 95-40 GHS on my fender jazz

I assumed cliffB uses 95-40 for EADG and wanted the same tension (34 pounds) for his drop-C and drop-Bb sets, I designed them accordingly.

\m/cliffB\m/ · #20 10-16-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ixlramp

Metal Mitch, the tension equivalent of a 105 E would be a .150 Bb. Looks crazy big but to put it in perspective, it has 42 pounds of tension, while a traditional so called 'medium' set has a .065 D with 51 pounds of tension.

I assumed cliffB uses 95-40 for EADG and wanted the same tension (34 pounds) for his drop-C and drop-Bb sets, I designed them accordingly.

thank you so much ramp

this is WHY i love talkbass bass players helping bass players... and i snag some nice gear and feed my GAS

any way back on track thanks people the main resson i want low guadge stings is i dont want to have to change the nut or mod it in anyway