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12-21-2004, 12:07 AM
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Jean no particular Brand at all it's just the nature of the speaker themselves.I am not here to dispute what speaker size is best.the logic of physics is the key.with all due respect Jean how long have you been dealing with the whole concept of the Low C# String? |
12-21-2004, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanbaudin Which 21" speakers have you guys been testing/using to come to this conclusion? |
With the assistance of several audiophile friends ,I tested two different brands of 21" subwoofers. They were enclosed by themselves.My point is they were not capable of reproducing the string clearly because they didn't reproduce the partials. No clear, high end.
I don't think brand was the issue. The Adams Monitors were only tens, driver,tweeter and they shook the room , while clearly reproducing the string. On the 10" speakers, the C# ,F# and B strings had similar tonal qualities.Even on an 18" it starts getting "muddy".IMO Playing through a 21" speaker alone doesn't sound good . The speaker movement is sluggish.
Come by Basson Sound at NAMM. Check out the B510SC. It is a three way system with 5 10's( with 200 Oz magnets) and a 1" compression driver. They actually developed the cabinet by having a low C# pumped through it. |
12-21-2004, 12:36 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Forest Falls, CA | | hey all,
sorry for the delay in joining this thread. took a day away from the computer after three days of intensive rehearsals.
my C# is clear and clean. my rig uses an AccuGroove Whappo Grande (a 21" sub) to reproduce the super lows with a great deal of power to push them. I've also got my El Whappo driving the overtone series, so I'm more than a little happy with it.
I've heard Garry play through Basson's and heard his bass going through nothing more sub-like than a 4x10 and it sounds great!
I forget who asked this, but I haven't had to change mine often at all. I've kept the F# that's currently on my Conklin 8 for a year -- which includes well over 150 shows (several tours) and the sessions for multiple albums. it's finally reached the point where it needs to be changed!
for anyone who wants to hear this system in action, I'm heading out on tour with the Brotherhood of Groove next week and we'll be playing more than 30 dates nationally into February. among the states we'll be playing are Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Massachusetts. there could be a handful of North Carolina dates, too...
I would encourage anyone who's curious to check out my Conklin 10 in the context of a live band and decide if it's a viable instrument and/or string and/or speaker system. 
from the lows,
Stew |
12-21-2004, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Stewmc5222 hey all,
sorry for the delay in joining this thread. took a day away from the computer after three days of intensive rehearsals.
my C# is clear and clean. my rig uses an AccuGroove Whappo Grande (a 21" sub) to reproduce the super lows with a great deal of power to push them. I've also got my El Whappo driving the overtone series, so I'm more than a little happy with it.
I've heard Garry play through Basson's and heard his bass going through nothing more sub-like than a 4x10 and it sounds great!
I forget who asked this, but I haven't had to change mine often at all. I've kept the F# that's currently on my Conklin 8 for a year -- which includes well over 150 shows (several tours) and the sessions for multiple albums. it's finally reached the point where it needs to be changed!
for anyone who wants to hear this system in action, I'm heading out on tour with the Brotherhood of Groove next week and we'll be playing more than 30 dates nationally into February. among the states we'll be playing are Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Massachusetts. there could be a handful of North Carolina dates, too...
I would encourage anyone who's curious to check out my Conklin 10 in the context of a live band and decide if it's a viable instrument and/or string and/or speaker system.
from the lows,
Stew | Hey Stew,
Sounds great. We were discussing the C# string here in the context of how it comes out on a recording and after the mastering process. How does the C# string sound on your system when it's recorded , mixed and mastered ? How do you mic your rig for a session? Do you change your C# string often? |
12-21-2004, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X Jean no particular Brand at all it's just the nature of the speaker themselves.I am not here to dispute what speaker size is best.the logic of physics is the key.with all due respect Jean how long have you been dealing with the whole concept of the Low C# String? | I just recently got my C# strings (as my basses are being finished up) and I'm certainly no authority on how the low C# deals with different speaker configurations (though I will be very soon  ) - however, I have been using a Low F# since the early 90's. I have had issues on several mastering sessions with Engineers trying to control/cope/deal with my recorded low notes (including John Cuniberti at The Plant). I can safely say I have a lot of time invested in sub-contra territory (albeit just a few hertz higher  )
I stated that the C# sounded clear on my 21" - I didn't dispute that they sounded better/worse on a 10", just asked what 21" inch speakers you guys tested since garry said they weren't the answer and you said it sounded Muddy.
I'm elated to hear you guys have had successful sessions with the C#. Looking forward to hearing the final product |
12-21-2004, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanbaudin I just recently got my C# strings (as my basses are being finished up) and I'm certainly no authority on how the low C# deals with different speaker configurations (though I will be very soon ) - however, I have been using a Low F# since the early 90's. I have had issues on several mastering sessions with Engineers trying to control/cope/deal with my recorded low notes (including John Cuniberti at The Plant). I can safely say I have a lot of time invested in sub-contra territory (albeit just a few hertz higher )
I stated that the C# sounded clear on my 21" - I didn't dispute that they sounded better/worse on a 10", just asked what 21" inch speakers you guys tested since garry said they weren't the answer and you said it sounded Muddy.
I'm elated to hear you guys have had successful sessions with the C#. Looking forward to hearing the final product | Hey Jean,
I started this thread for those who were skeptical about the usefulness of a low C# string in a recording situation. All of us who have embraced the idea of the C# are on the same team. When I have gone to a gig with the 11-string this past year and used the C# string,it entered the realm of new sonic territory. The various comments I've received range from one extreme to the other. If you are happy with your C# string sound using a 21" speaker,that's great.It doesn't cut it for me.
Basson took months to design a cabinet for the 11-string. They had my constant feedback and input.The F# string is easy by comparison.It's above the 20 hz roll off point.The C# string is supposedly beyond human hearing range. All engineers involved said they could hear it.
We have had great results recording and finally mastering the recordings of the low C#. For those who doubted the strings credibility, it works.
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12-21-2004, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ninestring Hey Stew,
Sounds great. We were discussing the C# string here in the context of how it comes out on a recording and after the mastering process. How does the C# string sound on your system when it's recorded , mixed and mastered ? How do you mic your rig for a session? Do you change your C# string often? | whoops!
well, so far for my recording sessions with it, I've gone straight to the 'board and had great results. my solo album is DDD, so it's recorded right into a hard drive and it sounds great in playback through speakers of all sizes and configuarations. mastering has been an issue for some engineers as the sub lows can come out sounding enormous!
from the lows,
Stew |
12-21-2004, 02:21 PM
| | | | [quote=Stewmc5222]whoops!
well, so far for my recording sessions with it, I've gone straight to the 'board and had great results. my solo album is DDD, so it's recorded right into a hard drive and it sounds great in playback through speakers of all sizes and configuarations. mastering has been an issue for some engineers as the sub lows can come out sounding enormous!
from the lows,
Stew[/QUOT
and you have been so quiet about it. it sounds like you are way ahead of Jauqo and I with all this C# string recording. So could everyone hear the c#00 note ?
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