Which strings have higher tension than Prosteels

[grobe]

I love the relatively stiff tension of Prosteels. My favorite string that I have tried. I was wondering if there are any other steel sets with even higher tension. High-beams or Blue Steels maybe? Obviously most brands have their fans.

[FunkMetalBass]

Go with a heavier gauge?

String companies don't post their string tension information, so it's hard to say. Maybe I'll start snipping strings when they get old and taking data.

[KingRazor]

My pro steels don't feel all that stiff, shouldn't be hard to find some that are stiffer.

[MarTONEbass]

Not hi beams, but Lo Riders from DR are supposed to have good tension due to the hexagonal core. I just ordered a set for that reason. Ill let u know how they work!

[ixlramp]

Prosteels aren't stiff, they're very flexible. If you like them then perhaps find out what gauge they are and choose the next larger gauge of Prosteels?

[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by ixlramp

Prosteels aren't stiff, they're very flexible. What you mean is high tension? If you like them then find out what gauge they are and choose the next larger gauge of Prosteels. Tension is mostly determined by gauge, not so much by manufacturer.

What's the difference between a stiff low tension set of strings and a high tension set that isn't stiff?

[Rocinante_x1]

Pro Steels are awesome strings. It's all I use on my Jazzes. They're not too stiff, but if you need stiffer strings, go with heavier gauge.

[grobe]

Originally Posted by ixlramp

Tension is mostly determined by gauge, not so much by manufacturer.

Not really caring to get in some kind of debate, but....

Straight from D'addario's website

String tension is determined by vibrating length, mass, and pitch. The string diameter alone does not determine a string’s tension. By using different raw materials (nickelplated steel or phosphor bronze, etc.) or by varying the ratio between the core and the wrap wire, two strings with the same diameter, tuned to the same pitch, could have two different tensions.

[was3funk]

+1 Low Rider SS's higher string tension

[ixlramp]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

What's the difference between a stiff low tension set of strings and a high tension set that isn't stiff?

Stiff strings cause inharmonicity, the overtones are excessively out of tune with the fundamental, and that sounds like poo The flexible, high tension set will have low inharmonicity.

[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by ixlramp

Stiff strings cause inharmonicity, the overtones are excessively out of tune with the fundamental, and that sounds like poo The flexible, high tension set will have low inharmonicity.

That doesn't seem to match up with what I've read about strings.

Higher tension = more stiff, lower tension = more loose.

[ixlramp]

Originally Posted by grobe

Straight from D'addario's website

String tension is determined by vibrating length, mass, and pitch. The string diameter alone does not determine a string’s tension. By using different raw materials (nickelplated steel or phosphor bronze, etc.) or by varying the ratio between the core and the wrap wire, two strings with the same diameter, tuned to the same pitch, could have two different tensions.

Yes that is true of course, which is why I said 'mostly'. However I was indeed being sloppy with words. Also I think I misunderstood, you're looking for a brand with a higher tension for the same gauge?

[ixlramp]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

That doesn't seem to match up with what I've read about strings.

Higher tension = more stiff, lower tension = more loose.

What I mean by 'stiffness' is stiffness at zero tension, the inherent stiffness of the string. There is also apparent stiffness caused by tension, which is simply tension resisting the bending of the string (which is perhaps what you are refering to?) I think these are 2 different things.

[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by ixlramp

What I mean by 'stiffness' is stiffness at zero tension, the inherent stiffness of the string. There is also apparent stiffness caused by tension, which is simply tension resisting the bending of the string (which is perhaps what you are refering to?) I think these are 2 different things.

Well, "stiffness" is a relative term just like "rough", "smooth", "tight", "loose" and others.

In general, a higher tension string will feel more "stiff" than a lower tension string. Other things such as whether the string is round or hex core can affect the string's stiffness.

[SGD Lutherie]

Originally Posted by ixlramp

Stiff strings cause inharmonicity, the overtones are excessively out of tune with the fundamental, and that sounds like poo The flexible, high tension set will have low inharmonicity.

+1

The less flexible the string the more is behaves like a rod, and not a string. This is why they have to stretch tune pianos. Otherwise the harmonics sound out-of-tune.

I don't like loose feeling strings, but I don't like them stiff either. I think D'Addarios are perfect.

[SGD Lutherie]

Originally Posted by KingRazor

Higher tension = more stiff, lower tension = more loose.

A string with more mass will tune to pitch at a lower tension. By varying the core to wrap ratio they are able to get a string to pitch without it having too high a tension, or being too inflexible. Regardless of tension you want the string to be flexible because it will sound better.

So for example, a very thick core with less wraps will be very stiff. A thinner core with more wraps will probably be a lot more flexible.

[TapyTap]

Stiffness implies elasticity of a string. The stiffer a string is, the less it is able to divide into partials when vibrating at a given tension.

Grobe, do you want greater string stiffness or greater string tension?

[KingRazor]

Originally Posted by SGD Lutherie

A string with more mass will tune to pitch at a lower tension. By varying the core to wrap ratio they are able to get a string to pitch without it having too high a tension, or being too inflexible. Regardless of tension you want the string to be flexible because it will sound better.

So for example, a very thick core with less wraps will be very stiff. A thinner core with more wraps will probably be a lot more flexible.

Don't you have some pickups to wind?