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Old 08-25-2010, 11:09 AM
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are these flats or rounds? Help me identify!

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If someone can listen to these songs and tell me if the basses used have flats or rounds that would be great. These don't sound exactly the same, but they're all p-basses, I think. I love the sound and I can get pretty close but I wonder if I switch to flats I might get even closer...or not at all!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwBOfud4od8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R8tR...4&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzyj3Wxhjr4&feature=fvst
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:37 AM
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You've picked some interesting examples there! To me, you could get quite close to any of those tones with brighter sounding flatwounds, or with rounds that have been played a bit to take the initial "zing" out of 'em and maybe had the extreme treble rolled back a bit in the EQ.

To be honest, what I think might be getting to you - especially on the Jamiroquai track - is the playing and the groove as much as the tone. That last number has a great line that sounds terrific when played with some balls on almost any bass. I know, I've tried it.

In other words, great playing > great tone (although it's obviously the case that a bass that just sounds bad isn't going to work out well for the bassist).
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:43 AM
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In other words, great playing > great tone (although it's obviously the case that a bass that just sounds bad isn't going to work out well for the bassist).
yeah for sure. The cool lines sure help the "coolness" on the sound.
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:02 PM
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Dead true.

To go further - a lot of what of makes that line (and lots of other cool stuff) sound great goes way beyond "tone" and even beyond the actual notes being played. Strings/pickups/bass/rig et cetera will affect the basic sound that comes out, but it's right and left hand technique that will shape the punch/articulation/dynamics of what's played. This is what I think people mean when the say "the sound is in your hands" - the baseline (forgive the pun) of what we hear depends to some extent on gear, but the music that gets made is so much more than that. That's why that Jamiroquai line can sound great on a P/J/Stingray or whatever, with flats or rounds, EQed all sorts of ways - what's being played is just great almost regardless of personal preferences about these things. So, if you want to get the essence of what's being done there in your own lines, focus on what makes it great and then use that to inform your own approach to playing it - the strings you use or other gear aspects really are secondary.

To put it another way, I think we all (myself included) sometimes make the mistake of thinking "If I use these strings on that bass with these pickups and plug into that amp, I'll get the musical results I really want to achieve." But we won't. Not even anywhere close. We'll get the baseline (no pun, again) that we want, maybe. That gets us perhaps 5% of the way towards we're after, maximum. The rest is down to what we do with it using our magic fingers. Soemtimes it's cool to obsess about that 5% and we all love to do it. But let's not forget that it's 5%! Hell, I need to focus on the other 95% just as much as we all do.

Don't get me wrong, I like talking about strings with the rest of the guys! But this is just something to think about - good luck with copping the feel you're after!
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:25 PM
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Paul Turner is using flats in the Jamiroquai video. Don't know about the others.
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I'd go with some worn roundwounds, but don't obsess over the tone before the playing!
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I'd go with some worn roundwounds, but don't obsess over the tone before the playing!
I'm not obessing over the tone, it's just that I get a sound close to those videos (and my playing is fine) and I'm just wondering if these are flats or not because I have a hard time differenciating them and choosing which I like best...
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Pretty sure JCS is flats, and the rerecording of Aquarius is trying to cop a classic flats tone even if it might have been recorded with old rounds. I think flats would suit you great if these are the tones you are gravitating to.

Great post, Bassybill.
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ok...so you guys think these are probably all flats? I should give them another try then!
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Pretty sure JCS is flats, and the rerecording of Aquarius is trying to cop a classic flats tone even if it might have been recorded with old rounds. I think flats would suit you great if these are the tones you are gravitating to.

Great post, Bassybill.
+1 I actually only think that last one has a chance of being flats although the first thing that sticks out to me about that tone is some juicy tubes and nice compression.

Especially for that first link remember that a really heavy set of rounds will sound a lot more like flats when broken in. I really think what we're hearing on that first one is a lot of dirt and grease on some well worn heavy rounds.

Also these are all very studio tracks. The first one especially sounds pretty processed/tweaked. A live take would be more revealing.
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for sure alan spenner used flats on his precision for the jcs cast recording. only the first track sounds like it could be dead rounds.
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