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Nickel
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Stainless steel
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05-31-2011, 10:40 PM
| | | | What string material produces a more dominant fundamental Nickel or SS?
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i hear nickel accentuates mids and Stainless steel scoops the mids. |
06-01-2011, 03:02 AM
| | | | SS, easily. Mids are another story. |
06-01-2011, 04:46 AM
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06-01-2011, 07:58 AM
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06-01-2011, 11:03 AM
| | | | i have decided to make this into a poll. please feel free to still comment.
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06-01-2011, 11:22 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coeur d'Alene | | | If you are after fundamental, how about flats?
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06-01-2011, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CapnSev  If you are after fundamental, how about flats? | im looking into getting flats but still will like to know the following question above.
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06-01-2011, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mastershake im looking into getting flats but still will like to know the following question above. | I don't think there's a definitive answer for your question, because strings vary so much between brands.
Every string has as much fundamental as the next, it just depends on how much coloration or "other stuff" you want on top of that.
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06-01-2011, 12:57 PM
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(rub some peanut butter on them if they are tooo bright!)
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06-01-2011, 01:21 PM
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06-01-2011, 01:52 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Oracle, Arizona | | | This is bit OT and I am guessing at this via my personal experience. However I agree that there is SO much differentiation between mfg that it's a tough call.
If a string is wound (as in round wound) upon another, the longer it stays at tension we see it loose "brightness" (obviously). This can even be observed with a strung instrument at a store display which has been played infrequently but at tension for a lengthy period of time.
But if the string is taken off the Bass (depending upon construction) it MIGHT return to a "brighter" condition after a period of time if there is not a large % of "crud" between the coils. This might occur if the coiling of the wrapped wire is wrapped with tension upon the core.
I typically don't throw out my strings unless they are really wasted. I have taken off strings that were dulled (but not dirty) to change to flats or whatever, etc. I had on several occasions replaced strings that were truly dull that sat in a loose condition for several months and their brightness was substantial when re-strung . This did not occur once or twice but several times. The caveat was that they had lost their "new" sound" through time & playing/stretching alone (not from BBQ sauce, dirt, etc.) - I have cleaned strings & got mixed results; yet if certain conditions were met, time alone with no tension appeared to alter their sound.
I have seen this more commonly with SS than nickel. Yet nickel has more diamagnetism than chromium:which is odd considering how pups function. In fact I believe that chrome is paramagnetic.
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06-01-2011, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by john grey This is bit OT and I am guessing at this via my personal experience. However I agree that there is SO much differentiation between mfg that it's a tough call.
If a string is wound (as in round wound) upon another, the longer it stays at tension we see is loose "brightness" (obviously).
But if the string is taken off the Bass (depending upon construction) it MIGHT return to a "brighter" condition after a protracted period of time if there is not a large % of "crud" between the coils. This might occur if the coiling of the wrapped wire is wrapped with tension upon the core.
I typically don't throw out my strings unless they are really wasted. I have taken off strings that were dulled (but not dirty) to change to flats, etc. I had on several occasions replaced strings that were truly dull that sat in a loose condition for several months and their brightness was substantial. This did not occur once or twice but several times. The caveat was that they had lost their "new" sound" through time & playing alone (not from BBQ sauce, dirt, etc.) - I have cleaned strings & got mixed results; yet if certain conditions were met, time alone with no tension appeared to alter their sound. I have seen this more commonly with SS than nickel.
There is a difference in the way nickel-steel responds to magnetism than chrome-steel. | |
06-01-2011, 02:49 PM
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Playing a lighter gauge of flexible strings will increase the fundamental, regardless of material type.
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06-01-2011, 02:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Norfolk | | | Remember, less highs is more lows.
Just like boosting the mids on your amp is the same as lowering your lows and highs.
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06-01-2011, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Electricblue Remember, less highs is more lows.
Just like boosting the mids on your amp is the same as lowering your lows and highs. | i cant disagree more... 
lowering the highs is not the same as boosting the lows at all
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06-01-2011, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CapnSev I don't think there's a definitive answer for your question, because strings vary so much between brands.
Every string has as much fundamental as the next, it just depends on how much coloration or "other stuff" you want on top of that. | i know theres lot more that goes into stings construction than just material such as how its made and what not. but in relevance to what im asking i would think the same size metal nickel will alway sound like nickel. if i were to strike a xylophone key made of nickel vs one made of ss i would think each would emphasize certain frequencys on top of the fundamental more than the other which you may refer to as 'color', whether each string has same base fundamental volume i wouldn't really know but i suspect thats not the case due to difference in material such as density and hardness of material. this is my hypothesis of course, i could be wrong. im just looking for some more insight on the subject than what i already know or dont. appreciate the feedback |
06-01-2011, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Electricblue Remember, less highs is more lows.
Just like boosting the mids on your amp is the same as lowering your lows and highs. | i would think there would be a deference in volume though. boosting your mids your overall output would be louder than cutting the highs and lows to get the same effect in which you would then have to raise the master volume to compensate. but either way what are master volumes for anyway 
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06-01-2011, 06:15 PM
| | | | the poll is tied thus far |
06-01-2011, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by john grey Yet nickel has more diamagnetism than chromium:which is odd considering how pups function. In fact I believe that chrome is paramagnetic. | how would this affect the the sound? |
06-01-2011, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FunkMetalBass Some say nickel, but I suspect it's the lack of high end that makes it feel as though the low end is accentuated.
Playing a lighter gauge of flexible strings will increase the fundamental, regardless of material type. | agree.
Just one example; I've switched from Labella 760FM's to 760FL's. The FL's have more fundamental (some say the FL's even have more mids, which I would also agree).
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