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Old 12-31-2006, 02:53 PM
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Yet another TI Flats review - 3 different gigs, one set of strings

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Like most people on this board, I've read enough about Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Flats to know that they're the end-all and be-all of flats, last forever, and cure cancer. I had been meaning to pick up a set for a long time, and finally dusted off the wallet for just long enough to get a set shipped to my door thanks to Jong at Jive Sound. I ordered them at just the right time as I had several dates coming up that would cover a range of musical styles. The donor? My trusty Fender Precision, which I've never avoided posting a picture of.


Initial Impressions:
My bass had previously been strung up with the last set I had of my beloved D'Addario Slowounds, now discontinued. They were a light gauge, and I had to give my bass a quick setup to get the action where I liked it after I put on the flats.

First, they feel great. I've read that they play effortlessly, and that's pretty close to the truth. They were much lower in tension than the other flats I've used (Fender and GHS), and were very easy to play.

I was not impressed with the sound. They sounded very mid-rangey and clanky to me, without a lot of "booty". I tweaked the settings on my amp for a while, but I never really felt happy with them. With a mental shrug, I packed up my gear as I had my first rehearsal for a musical theater gig I had the next day.

Theater Gig
That whole next week I would be rehearsing and playing for a local holiday musical that was written to resemble a WWII USO show. There were lots of swing, jazz, and Christmas tunes, with a few ballads thrown in for good measure.

I was MUCH happier with the strings when I was playing with the band. It was just piano, drums, guitar and myself, and these strings really thrived when they sat in the mix with the other instruments. I didn't really get what I would call an upright tone, but the decay was short enough and the tone was thumpy enough that it was a passable combination between electric and the classic double bass tone. Again, they played so smoothly and effortlessly that I was really able to concentrate on the music. (This is a good thing as I was struggling for many of the tunes!) I played this show through a Hartke combo with the EQ set flat and the tone knob on my bass rolled off about 1/4. Great tone.

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The next show would be two weeks later in the lovely state of Minnesota, where my band was playing a small bar/venue called the Red Sea. My band covers the territory of rock, ska, and reggae with a full cast: myself, drums, guitar, keys, trombone, sax, and an energetic female singer.

The tone was great here, too. Very present in the mix and full sounding. There were two places where I thought the sound was lacking, however. I play a lot of fast walking lines that jump around a lot with this group, and it was tough to get the same definition that I would get with rounds. This is probably an inherent issue with the strings being flats, but in fast passages with the full band playing, it felt a little blurry to me. The second part I wasn't crazy about was the slap tone, but that didn't really surprise me. I really don't slap all that much, and not very often on my Precision. But, with my fretless in pieces and my Jazz bass sold, I had little choice! There was more top end than I would have imagined, but it was still very "clanky". This gig I went to the board through my Sansamp and for stage monitoring I was a Peavey Bam 210 combo.

Jazz Combo

Finally, I had a chance to try out the strings at a jazz combo rehearsal last week. This is a small group with myself, drums, horns, and a guitar player who could not be there. This was one of my first times playing with the group, and we had a short list of standards that we want to go through. On the more R 'n Bish tune Mercy, Mercy, Mercy, the strings really shone. They had a great bouncy feel and tone that set well in the song. For the more standard tunes when I tried to emulate a more upright-ish tone, they did fairly well but almost had too much midrange for my tastes. I usually leave my EQ flat but I found myself dipping in the midrange a tad and boosting the bass by a hair. Still, they performed admirably and I got compliments about the tone I was able to get from my setup. This was played through a Roland combo amp that is at the studio we use for rehearsal.

Overall I would have to say that I'm very impressed with the strings. I would even go so far as to say that I'm more impressed with how they feel than how they sound, though they excel in both categories. They definitely have mellowed out since I bought them, and I think that I would definitely purchase them again if the need arose to replace them. They seem to fit fairly well on the P-Bass, and I'm curious about how they would sit on a brighter bass that had a larger range of duty.

Thanks for reading my self-indulgent review. If there wasn't enough on the boards about these silly strings, now there's a little bit more!
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Old 12-31-2006, 03:26 PM
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I've got a set on my Ric, and they felt a little thin and clanky to me at first, but opened up very nicely with a few weeks of play. The difference between them and my former string of choice (Fender 9050ML) is like night and day. I wish the TIs had slightly more tension, since that's what I like, but I have gotten used to them, and enjoy them very much.


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Old 12-31-2006, 05:11 PM
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I think that I would definitely purchase them again if the need arose to replace them.
luckily for you, you won't have to worry about that for like a year!

beautiful P too!
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Old 01-02-2007, 03:58 PM
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Yeah - first impressions with new srtings can be somewhat misleading. TIJF's need some playing and stretching to lose that new string twang. Once they do - they have a sweet woody tone. Lot's of overtones but not a lot of 'ring'. There is a lot of detail in the mid's with JF's.

Now for the other TI. The Super Alloy. If you haven't already, try a set next time you change up on a bass strung with Round Wounds. that string has become my favorite round. Two of the last basses I've sold went with TI SA's. Both buyers emailed me or called to ask what the strings were so they could be sure to replace them with the right strings ...
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Old 01-02-2007, 04:44 PM
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Thanks for the comments on the bass. Hopefully this was somewhat helpful to the readers!

4Mal - I've heard good things about the Alloys. Are those SS or Nickel? I have a new bass coming soon and I was planning on wearing out the stock strings and then trying out one of my favorites, DR Lo-Riders. After that I was going to give the TI rounds a shot. I bet they're pricey, though...
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:14 PM
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Used TI Jazz rounds some years back ... when I was actually playing

Used them on a couple of different basses (new sets on each one) and generaly found the G - and sometimes the D - to be too thin sounding. Don't think I'd use them again.

I have TI JFs on the 77 fretless Precision. Just fabulous. Can't really say any more.

They do have a reputation for being quite mid-orientated. That can sound a bit lacking in some situations, but they always seem to cut the mix. Just brilliant imho! Like Super Duck, and many others, flat EQ is excellent.

In the past I had no choice but to run the Precision straight into the power slave (forgot my preamp!!!). I just rolled the highs off a bit and the whole thing sounded lovely. Really!!!

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Old 01-08-2007, 06:44 PM
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Great way to review the JF's, or any string for that matter. None of this "I tried them in my bedroom and pulled them off 10 minutes later because they weren't...."

One thing about the places where you felt that they fell short: don't discount the difference that more time spent playing that setup will make. It takes me a while to adapt to new strings whether it is tension, tone, feel... The trick with the TI Jazz series in particular, less so with the powerbass and superalloy, is that so much of the 'goodness" lies in the dynamics. I find that I can play quieter, the roll on the volume, and get tonal/shape changes, all with my hands in a much easier way than with "normal" strings.

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Thanks for the comments on the bass. Hopefully this was somewhat helpful to the readers!

4Mal - I've heard good things about the Alloys. Are those SS or Nickel? I have a new bass coming soon and I was planning on wearing out the stock strings and then trying out one of my favorites, DR Lo-Riders. After that I was going to give the TI rounds a shot. I bet they're pricey, though...
I did not like the Super Alloy. They had an unimpressive low end to me or lack thereof. DR Lo-Riders sound nice. Let me know how they do if you try them. As far as the TI Jazz Flats the lower tension is a bit bothersome to me as well. I like the overall tone and can get somewhat of a URB tone by playing up on the neck.

I am looking for a good set of flats myself. Have heard the GHS Precision Flats to be decent but have not tried them.
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Old 01-08-2007, 09:39 PM
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I've played Fender 9050's, the TI's, and I had the GHS flats for a little bit, too. I like the TI's so far, and then the GHS second. I still don't like the Fenders. The GHS strings were good, but really stand out in any category. They're definitely worth trying, though.

Fretlessrock - you are definitely correct. They've really grown on me in the past few weeks, and there are a lot of tones in these strings that can come out depending on how I play. Now that they're settling in (and I'm settling in with them!) I'm growing to appreciate them more and more.

Rockin John - I can imagine that they sound great on a fretless P. I have a fretless Jazz that I'm putting together, but someday I'll own a fretless P. They're too cool!
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Old 01-09-2007, 07:53 PM
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If you like the sound of TI Jazz Flats but not the tension then you might consider D'Addario Chromes. I went from TI's to Chromes in the past due to the low tension issue and remember liking them quite well.
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I am currently using Chromes and am considering trying a set of TIs. The Chromes are pretty good but I do like the idea of a little lower tension although the price on the TIs are pretty high.
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Old 01-11-2007, 11:37 AM
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I am in the same boat as you - I balked for months based on the price before I caved and bought the TI's. I would say that after having them for a month or so I can say that they are definitely worth it, and cosidering you won't have to change strings for easily more than a year that they are a great bargain.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:19 PM
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And considering that I usually only change my strings every year or so, they'd probably last me 2 or 3!

I find the Chromes are pretty bright sounding flats. More than what I would have expected.
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I got a set of .045-.100 Chromes to try on my P bass.
Bought a set of GHS Boomers as a backup in case I cannot stand the flat string tone.
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[quote=Smallmouth_Bass;3707823]And considering that I usually only change my strings every year or so, they'd probably last me 2 or 3!

You'll get more than that I'd expect. I'm over 6 years on the same set of TI flats on my P and they've been played a lot. They still sound great. Some of my other basses have strings at 3 years of age.

You really get your money's worth with these strings.
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Former "Chromes" user here.......They sounded good live on my passive 5'r, but thinned out in the house mix when I used the D and G strings.
The TI flats cut thru the mix, even the D and G strings sound phat!
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I got a set of .045-.100 Chromes to try on my P bass.
Bought a set of GHS Boomers as a backup in case I cannot stand the flat string tone.

I put the Chromes on my Fender 51 P bass Re-issue and so far I love them!
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Old 01-24-2007, 04:24 PM
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Totally.

I didn't really dig my TI flats at first, either. But man do they improve with age. I pretty much don't play roundwounds anymore. Flats sound pretty lousy with slapping and tapping, but I gave that up a few years ago after realizing it just wasn't part of my musical voice, so no issues there. I am also really lazy about changing strings and only like to bring one bass to a gig, so it works perfectly. The main thing is the consistency - once they're broken in, they provide great sound for a long time, studio or live.
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Old 01-24-2007, 08:24 PM
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What color are the silks on the TIJF's? I had a set of TI's and a set of Rotosound Steve Harris flats. I can't tell which is which now.
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but they are so different you will notice once they are on anyway. way different tension.
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