Go Back   TalkBass Forums > Double Bass Forums > Ask a Pro! > Ask Patrick Neher
Register Rules/FAQ/CUP Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Ask Patrick Neher Professor of Double Bass at the University of Arizona


Supporting Membership
Thank You

Latest Supporting Member
Donate to Upgrade Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 09-11-2012, 10:04 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
It Don't Mean a Thing Chord Structure (Pettiford vs DJango)

I play upright with a Gypsy Jazz group that plays Django tunes and other period 1920-1930 music.

I have a few versions of the chord charts for this tune (see attached).

In the Pettiford version it is more of a swing jazz tune, which I get but what I don't get is that in the second bar it goes:

C7 | F#7 | F7 | B♭ D7

In the Django version it goes:

C7 | F7 | B♭ | B♭ D7

And the melody is of course Bflat,Bflat,Bflat,Bflat,Bflat,Bflat.

The Pettiford version is based on Monk's recording so it has some nice touches and some great harmony with the chords and the piano. My take on the Django version is that it is not so much a swing tune, closer to bop or a charleston rag.

Either way it is the F# that really throws me. I play it and I just don't hear it. Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Perhaps I should look at the original chart from Ellington.

Thanks for your support.

Simon
Attached Files
File Type: pdf IdontmeanAthing.pdf (119.2 KB, 181 views)
File Type: pdf WB 3-1.pdf (119.2 KB, 98 views)

Last edited by simon_dad_bass : 09-11-2012 at 11:07 AM.
  #2  
Old 09-25-2012, 06:59 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Northants, UK
Supporting Member
Setting aside the F# for the moment, one difference between the two sets of changes is that the Pettiford resolves back to the Bb tonic in the last bar, whereas the other one resolves in the penultimate bar. Most players actually use both these devices - resolving in the last bar when playing the melody and in the penultimate in the blowing. Back to the F# - this is a fairly standard (from bebop onwards) substitution for a C7 which works because the notes E and Bb are essential components (3 and 7) of both C7 and F#7. Using the F# root underneath E and Bb instead of the usual C root gives a great chromatic approach to F7. Just try swapping those roots with the two noes held above a few times and you should start to hear the sound more clearly!
__________________
Nick Weldon

Jazz School UK
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Visit TalkBass on Facebook   Download our iOS app   Download our Android app

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:29 AM.




© 2012 Talk Music Group Inc. All rights reserved.
Play guitar too? Visit TalkGuitar.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.