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Old 09-19-2010, 05:23 PM
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Firebird

Hello Patrick, I did a quick check for a hint about the first
18 measures of "Danse Infernale" (didn't see one)...is there a common approach to the "sound" for this passage? Could you help us understand the effect we (basses) are trying to "get" at this point in the music? Is there a most common technique to achieve the sound?

Thank you, foilracer
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Old 09-19-2010, 05:55 PM
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Stravinsky Danse Infernale

I am assuming you mean the Stravinsky Danse Infernale as part of the ballet, Firebird. There are likely others with this name, so... be specific.
And what's the problem? What is the sound issue? Are you asking about harmonics or tremello or loud articulate playing, or what?
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Hello Patrick, I did a quick check for a hint about the first
18 measures of "Danse Infernale" (didn't see one)...is there a common approach to the "sound" for this passage? Could you help us understand the effect we (basses) are trying to "get" at this point in the music? Is there a most common technique to achieve the sound?

Thank you, foilracer
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:16 AM
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...sorry...

Firebird Suite (Suite De L'Oiseau De Feu)

Danse Infernale Du Roi Kastchei

M.M. = quarter note 168 (3/4) first eighteen measures

Re-Orchestrated by the Composer in 1919.
Igor Stravinsky

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...not being a "pro" the part is difficult for me to execute...maybe the answer should be..."just play what is written"...that I can understand....BUT...I think there may be
an "effect" that is created at this point in the music AND there
is a "technique" or "way" to create the "sound" ...any "help" will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, foilracer
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:57 AM
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Firebird Suite (Suite De L'Oiseau De Feu)

Danse Infernale Du Roi Kastchei

M.M. = quarter note 168 (3/4) first eighteen measures

Re-Orchestrated by the Composer in 1919.
Igor Stravinsky

Double Bass

...not being a "pro" the part is difficult for me to execute...maybe the answer should be..."just play what is written"...that I can understand....BUT...I think there may be
an "effect" that is created at this point in the music AND there
is a "technique" or "way" to create the "sound" ...any "help" will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, foilracer
Right! Play the part! It'd be a big challenge to tell you how to get a sound that I cannot hear. So, as far as desired effect (by this I assume you mean the composer's and/or conductor's) please give more details... what do you think the effect is supposed to be? What has the conductor requested? Technically, for example, if the tremelo is the problem, is it getting it to be forte enough or fast enough? Or if the problem is going to pizz from arco fast enough, are you holding your bow or gripping it? What is the form you use for pizz while holding the bow? If the problem is getting all the bassists to play in rhythm, then a coaching of the section is needed. So you can see, you are a bit too vague about the problem. In fact, perhaps there is no problem? This is a raucous passage (the opening) where the "effect" as you call it, is spread out through the entire ensemble. If the brass are not together, the bassists can't really change that, given we are only playing a drone. So... hope this helps. I am sorry you sound a bit frustrated by the piece. The piece is great, with lots of extended techniques (at least at the time) for everyone. The composition is a wonderful orchestral training tool as well, for it forces a player to come up with the technique to realize the composer's dream.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:46 AM
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...thank you!

Thank you, Patrick, for helping me understand this passage better and for the the insight to use my own interpretation.

Our concert this Sunday will include The Meistersinger Prelude,
Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto #2 and the Firebird Suite.

Also, thank you for making yourself available on "Talkbass".

Sincerely,

Al Smith
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