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Old 10-07-2010, 12:47 PM
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Left Hand - 1st finger collapsing under double stops

Hi Patrick,

I am currently working on the Dragonetti Concerto in G (I suppose it would be in A with solo strings, but I digress), and I just started working on the 2nd movement that states the melody of the movement in double stops after the first section.

My main problem is that when using a 1-3 fingering for a minor 3rd (this being up into thumb position), I cannot for the life of me prevent my 1st finger/1st knuckle from collapsing. I've had this issue in my playing elsewhere, but I've since eliminated it for the most part. It seems as though no matter where I place my hand, or how much/little I bring it around the fingerboard, I can't find a hand position to prevent this from happening.

I understand issues like this could be difficult to diagnose over the Internet, but I would think it might be a common issue that you may have seen/experienced before. Any suggestions? I've tried doing an alternate fingering by using thumb-3 on all the minor thirds and it works to some degree, but I find it inefficient to do all of them this way.

Hope this makes sense, thanks in advance for the help. I have a lesson later this afternoon where I will get his opinion on the subject, but it's always good to hear things from a few different sources! Thank you!

-Bobby
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Old 10-31-2010, 08:25 PM
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Double Stops in various positions

Well, first, bravo! on working on the DragoNanny (this piece was actually written by Edouard Nanny). The piece provides a lot of demands and is a great piece to study to develop many different techniques for playing and for interpreting music.
Double stops: first, I more often than not consider double stops with the same placement, weight and speed as a single note, then simply angle the hair towards the other string. In other words, double stops do not need more weight and less speed as may be contrary to one's intuition. Just simply catch both strings with your bow, don't change the speed and weight. As far as the fingering is concerned, it is OKAY to collapse the FIRST knuckle of your finger(s) but no other, and especially not the third knuckle (nearest your palm) as that places the weight of your hand on the knuckle, not the string. In some positions, like perhaps A in thumb position on the G string, played with 1st finger, along with f# on the D string played with 3rd finger, the weight of your hand is best applied in a totally downward direction, by the first finger collapsing the first (only) knuckle. So, what I am saying is: it depends on the strings, the notes, the tempo, the notes that precede and follow a double stop as to what the shape your fingers may take. Do not worry, but bee as efficient as possible, using the forms-at-rest; supported; concept as often as possible.
Best of luck!
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Hi Patrick,

I am currently working on the Dragonetti Concerto in G (I suppose it would be in A with solo strings, but I digress), and I just started working on the 2nd movement that states the melody of the movement in double stops after the first section.

My main problem is that when using a 1-3 fingering for a minor 3rd (this being up into thumb position), I cannot for the life of me prevent my 1st finger/1st knuckle from collapsing. I've had this issue in my playing elsewhere, but I've since eliminated it for the most part. It seems as though no matter where I place my hand, or how much/little I bring it around the fingerboard, I can't find a hand position to prevent this from happening.

I understand issues like this could be difficult to diagnose over the Internet, but I would think it might be a common issue that you may have seen/experienced before. Any suggestions? I've tried doing an alternate fingering by using thumb-3 on all the minor thirds and it works to some degree, but I find it inefficient to do all of them this way.

Hope this makes sense, thanks in advance for the help. I have a lesson later this afternoon where I will get his opinion on the subject, but it's always good to hear things from a few different sources! Thank you!

-Bobby
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Old 11-01-2010, 02:11 PM
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Thanks for the reply.

After working a little with my teacher on it, he showed me that how he approaches this issue is by actually approaching the note with the 1st finger more on the side of the string, and actually "pulling" it slightly to produce the note. It works for keeping the finger from collapsing, but it's also harder to get the note to speak.

Alleviate one issue, bring light to another...thanks for your input!
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