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Old 02-23-2011, 10:56 PM
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Playing style advice for Mozart, Strauss & Beethoven

Hi,
I am playing the following pieces for an upcoming concert & would appreciate any tips you have on them.

WA Mozart – The Marriage of Figaro: Overture

WA Mozart – G Minor Symphony (No 40)

Johann Straus, II – Die Fledermaus Overture

Beethovan – Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67

I understand the desired sound/feel for different composers would not be the same as the double bass was evolving would sound & be played differently during each era the composer was living in.

Someone told me that I should play mozart pieces with a light detached feel.

I play with with a french bow by the way and am the sole double bassist in the amateur orchestra so there isn't anyone else here I could consult with.

Thanks,
Dbassnut
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:39 PM
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Styles of Playing, different eras

Hi,
Wouldn't it be great if we could just say: "Play Mozart like this..." I am afraid your question would take years of answer and discovery. THIS is WHY we go to music school and have private teachers, to understand stylistic differences and different eras of music. Why, do you suppose, Mozart is generally played in a lighter, more spiccato manner, than Strauss? What does a teacher mean by a "Beethoven staccato?" Or terms like "martalé" "marcato" "staccato" "Spiccato" "leggiero" "battuto" etc ... what significance do they have, how does one execute them, what are the techniques required? These are all what advanced studies of music, especially stringed instrument playing, is about. We are trained to do specific kinds of articulations for specific composers, and general techniques for eras. It would be impossible to "get it" from a text-based forum.... though I will attempt some:
Mozart, though at times is often played on modern instruments and in the "correct" style, is now often played on "Period Instruments" for a certain (albeit controversial) sound that people believe Mozart was hearing (though may not have truly wanted... but that's another topic). On a modern double bass with a modern bow, you must learn to play spiccato (jumping, bouncing bow) well, especially through fast sixteenth-note passages. It must be ultra-clean, clear, projecting, and dynamic... and IN TUNE! Though Mozart wrote few dynamics, phrasing is required (inflection and following of the line with the inflection). All musical lines, even accompaniment, are interesting and must be played with energy to keep the line interesting.
Beethoven, a late Classical period composer, wrote a lot more dynamics and was also VERY specific about rhythm. Though spiccato is used, you might consider it heavier in general than Mozart, and for some loud and fast playing, in Beethoven, use a quick and heavy staccato, not lifting off the string, not bouncing. Again, this is a generality, not specific about passage. Some of the "lightest" and bouncy music has been composed by Beethoven. Mozart's 40 Symphony is as heavy and contrapuntal as Beethoven's 3rd or 4th Symphony. So Marriage of Figaro has a different "feel" than his 40th Symphony and must be reflected in your playing.
The Strauss is an early-ish work in his career and is not as bombastic as some of the later operas and waltzes. Is is "light" - ish, but compared to Mozart, a much more "Into the string" approach is used. A lot of the bass playing here is simply to keep the beat. Lots of loud down-bows!
Overall, always match the articulation of the rest of the string section. En-masse their education about eras is directed by the conductor. Hopefully he/she has a good ideas about string articulation and how it has evolved over the centuries.
Best of luck!
PN


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Hi,
I am playing the following pieces for an upcoming concert & would appreciate any tips you have on them.

WA Mozart – The Marriage of Figaro: Overture

WA Mozart – G Minor Symphony (No 40)

Johann Straus, II – Die Fledermaus Overture

Beethovan – Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67

I understand the desired sound/feel for different composers would not be the same as the double bass was evolving would sound & be played differently during each era the composer was living in.

Someone told me that I should play mozart pieces with a light detached feel.

I play with with a french bow by the way and am the sole double bassist in the amateur orchestra so there isn't anyone else here I could consult with.

Thanks,
Dbassnut
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:43 AM
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Hi Neher, Thanks. I'm currently practicing the pieces using metronome at half speed to get the intonation & feel right & working my way up.
Regards,
Dbassnut
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Old 04-01-2011, 05:04 PM
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Let me resurrect this thread with a comment for the OP. There are a lot of subtleties involved in pursuing the "right" kind of sound for performing music of different composers and eras, and these are of course best worked out with a good teacher over many years of practice and performance.... But, I find it really helpful to have a reference recording or two which I listen to a lot to get a "picture" of the sound I want to make. For example:

Mozart Sym 40: Prague Chamber Orchestra with Mackerras

Amazon.com: Mozart: Symphonies Nos. 40 & 41: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Charles Mackerras, Prague Chamber Orchestra: Music

Die Fledermaus overture: the great Carlos Kleiber!

Amazon.com: J. Strauss - Die Fledermaus / Varady, Popp, Prey, Rebroff, Kollo, Weikl, Bayerischen Staatsorchester, Kleiber: Johann Strauss II, Carlos Kleiber, Julia Varady, Lucia Popp, Bayerischen Staatsorchester, Hermann Prey, Ivan Rebroff, René Koll

Beethoven 5: Gardiner and Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique

Amazon.com: Beethoven: The Symphonies: Ludwig van Beethoven, John Eliot Gardiner, Orchestre Révolutionnaire et Romantique: Music

Marriage of Figaro: René Jacobs and Concerto Köln

Amazon.com: Mozart - Le nozze di Figaro / Gens · Ciofi · Kirchschlager · Regazzo · Keenlyside · McLaughlin · van Rensburg · Abete · Rial · Concerto Köln · René Jacobs: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Véronique Gens, Patrizia Ciofi, Angelika Kirchschlager, L


It helps to really study the recordings and to try to imitate the style. Good luck and have fun!
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:32 PM
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Hi crowsmengegus,
Thanks for the tip. I've been checking out youtube clips on the pieces & trying to study how the bassist play the pieces by listening & seeing exactly what they do when the cameras zoom in on them. Which sadly doesn't always happen as there is usually this manic person with a stick threatening the entire orchestra that usually blocks the camera view. .
I'm still working on the bow bounce but have a lot of work to do still.
Thanks again to the both of you.
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