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Old 07-19-2004, 09:05 AM
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KWD and I are both Christopher hybrid owners and fans but I have to disagree with him on this one. The Helicore Hybrid A and E sounded horrible on my bass, especially the A. The D and G were better but no match for the Obligatos in any regard.

The Obligato E is not sloppy by any means but does have a slightly slower response than the A and above. It has a nice growl down low without the metalic whine of the helicores. It sounds like a real resonant double bass instead of a fretless electic.
The Helicore hybrid E and A sounded sub-optimal on my bass too. I never got used to the forward, character bereft sound of them but some like the power afforded by having metal on the E and A. It seemed counter intuitive to prefer a Helicore G and D over Obligato. That's what I was getting at. I feel settled with Obligatos. For the first time since I've owned the instrument I don't have a need to acquire a new set of strings every week. And, I've had the 3rd person validation of my teacher on these (Obligatos). With a jazz seminar coming up, I've been tempted to put the E Heli on just for punch, but I've since decided against it.
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Old 07-30-2004, 12:15 AM
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I don't ever bow. Animas are not round wound and have even tension for all strings which i find is ideal for pizz. they are the best strings i have ever played on (someone else's bass) the price however is ridiculous. long sustain and low tension with seemingly no loss of sound. does anyone know of a similar cheaper alternative?.
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You can get low tension and long sustain with some steel solo strings tuned down to orchestra pitch, but you'll get less volume too.
Many players here on Talkbass have write good reviews on solo Obligatos.
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Old 07-30-2004, 08:04 PM
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Old 08-02-2004, 11:34 AM
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I just tried the new Kolstein (Heritage) strings last weekend and I was very impressed. I tried a brand new set on a Czech bass and thought really loved the bow response. They were a little twangy, but I think that would subside after a few days of playing.

I definitely plan on trying a pair on my bass. My only other hybrid experience has been with Corellis and Helicores. I prefer the Correlli strings to the Helicores, but I'm definitely going to do a long term test with the Kolsteins.

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Old 08-13-2004, 02:12 PM
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Helicore Hyrbrid compared to Spirocores

In another stop on the never-ending quest to find strings that work well for both pizz and arco, I replaced my Spirocores (med gauge) with D’addario Helicore Hybrids (med gage). Now, keep in mind, I absolutely loved the sound of the Spirocores for pizz and was reluctant to change. But, even though I stuck it out for over a year (I was advised to “give them time to settle in”) I just grew tired of their scratchy, hard to start bow response. I know that both Christian McBride (light gauge) and John Patitucci (heavy gauge) use these strings and both of their instruments sound great. So, I thought, they should be good enough for me.

When I strung them up for the first time, I found the D string to be twangy and thin. I returned it for a replacement (thanks) and that problem was solved. I also noticed right away the G and D were much lighter in gauge and more flexible than the A and E with the E very heavy and stiff. This proved to present a modest challenge as I started to play.

Since I was after a better arco sound, the first thing I did was put them to the bowing test. The strings played very smoothly and sounded great. Good sonority, easy to start, nice warm tone. I was definitely pleased with the arco sound.

When I started to play pizz, I felt the difference between the G/D and A/E right away and it took some time to get used to the differences in response (I never fully got used to the stiffness of the E). The next thing I noticed was that all of the strings required more pressure by my left hand to get good clear pitches. After a couple of days of getting used to the extra pressure, that was behind me. Also, the sonority of the Helicores was much less than the Spirocores. Next, I noticed that my right hand needed adjustment. A very definite, strong hand was required to get that “pop” of an attack and a good full sound. Anything less sounded too “thuddy” (more like wood on wood) with not enough fundamental pitch sound. This took some getting used to but that is now mostly behind me too. I continued, however, to have trouble with the E string. I couldn’t get as full of a sound as I wanted unless I really dug in. Often, to get that big sound on the E string, I was required my to put so much meat into the string that my finger often hung up on the string, causing me to lag the time. I worked on this for some time without success. I finally gave up. I replace the E string with the Spirocore E and bingo! There was the sound I wanted and the response I needed. Arco, the Spirocore E works well too as the little bit of scratchiness is perfect to help those low notes cut through. Response-wise on pizz, the Helicore E was very thick and heavy while the Spirocore E has a feel closer to the Helicore A and therefore across all four strings, there is more uniformity.

Finally, I think there has been some settling in of the strings themselves while I was making all of these other discoveries and adjustments. The strings seem to have gotten much more flexible overall as time has passed and they have been played more.

In the end, after replacing the E string, adjusting my technique to meet the physics of the strings, and a breaking in of the strings themselves, the strings have the sound I want in both pizz and arco and will work well for me in my playing. It took about 3-4 months to come to this conclusion but now I get a very nice arco sound and a very nice pizz sound. By all accounts from those that have heard my bass, the bass is sounding very good indeed.

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Old 08-13-2004, 02:51 PM
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I have never been impressed with the Helicore line of bass strings. They are decent pizzicato strings, but they do lack projection, and they aren't very good for arco. Pirastro Obligatos are a big improvement over the Helicores. Eudoxas are an improvement on the Obligato, but they also cost close to 3 times as much. I am very interested in trying the new Compas 180's. I think they might be one of the better all around strings.
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