Jargar windings too short?

greitzer · #1 07-23-2006, 01:12 PM

I recently got a set of Jargar strings, and I just installed the E string. The windings on Jargars are considerably shorter than other strings I've used. At the peg end, the winding doesn't cover the whole winding (meaning, there is bare string wrapped a couple of times around the peg, because there isn't enough winding). There is only enough winding for a couple of turns around the peg, and then the bare string completes the winding (probably not the right term, but I don't know how else to explain it).

So, is this harmful? Other Jargar users out there?

mcnaire2004 · #2 07-23-2006, 01:37 PM

I would like to know this as well because tomorrow I'm ordering some Jargar dolce's for my newly fixed Juzek with super long (Edgar Meyer type)finger board. Well my luthier will probably say something if its to short I guess.

**Francois Blais** · #3 07-23-2006, 02:46 PM

The Jargars are the longest steel strings I know.
What you meant is the silk thread at the peg arrives farther from the nut, thus nearer the peg.
If the metal wound part isn't inserted into the peg itself, it's no big deal.

greitzer · #4 07-23-2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francois

If the metal wound part isn't inserted into the peg itself, it's no big deal.

Thanks Francois, based on your reply it sounds like it's okay to have bare string wrapped once or twice around the peg.

**Francois Blais** · #5 07-23-2006, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greitzer

Thanks Francois, based on your reply it sounds like it's okay to have bare string wrapped once or twice around the peg.

Exactly!
Enjoy them now!

kwd · #6 07-24-2006, 10:00 AM

When you have a chance, please share your impressions of the Jargars.

greitzer · #7 07-24-2006, 10:41 PM

I will do so, as soon as I've had a chance to install and gig with them. There don't seem to be too many TB'ers who've tried them yet, so I am curious . . .

mcnaire2004 · #8 07-25-2006, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by greitzer

I will do so, as soon as I've had a chance to install and gig with them. There don't seem to be too many TB'ers who've tried them yet, so I am curious . . .

AHHHHHHH!!! Lemur was out of stock on everything. I was going to get the Jargars so I didn't have to have 2 sets but o'well. I got Helicore Arco light's and Helicore arco solo's which is on next day delivery. I should have them in a few hours (lol i'm dumb enough to be up at 3 in the morning).

demon666 · #9 07-26-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnaire2004

AHHHHHHH!!! Lemur was out of stock on everything. I was going to get the Jargars so I didn't have to have 2 sets but o'well. I got Helicore Arco light's and Helicore arco solo's which is on next day delivery. I should have them in a few hours (lol i'm dumb enough to be up at 3 in the morning).

Check out www.juststrings.com they usually have Jargars in stock and the ship fast usually in 2 days

Heifetzbass · #10 07-29-2006, 02:19 PM

I installed Jargar Forte's on my Heifetzbass last season. I find the sound very rich, dark, and robust. They have a very "chocolate" sound. They are not the loudest string, but as my instrument has no projection problems I was looking to "fatten" up the sound. I have used helicore, obligatos, and "original" eudoxas on my bass and these are the richest and bow very well. Very responsive.

I also have a permanent C for the extension and it is louder and was very edgy at first but has settled down to a great low C string.

FWIW,
Brian

greitzer · #11 07-30-2006, 10:47 AM

Well, after one week of using the Jargars, my preliminary review is very much like Brian's. Overall, the Jargars are very friendly to the bow, have a nice sound, and a soft feel to the fingers.

They are the least scratchy, most bow-friendly steel string I've used. Fast string-crossing arco passages have always been a scratchy situation for me. The Jargars smooth this out better than any other steel string I've tried, comparable to the Dominants in this regard.

Their sound is full and fairly deep, they lack the metallic banjo-like quality of other steel strings I've used. Since my bass is on the trebly side anyway (it's fairly small), the Jargars help offset its treblyness (probably not a real word).

The Jargars also are quite soft to the touch for a steel string, which helps.

I agree with Brian, they don't seem to project as loudly as other strings I've used, but so far, this is an okay tradeoff for me. Overall, at this early stage, I'm quite pleased with them.

I'll post a further review after a few gigs and/or rehearsals with them.

Philb the bass · #12 03-21-2011, 04:07 AM

Hi Guys

re: Jargar Dolce double bass strings

I am concerned that on my particular bass which has a scale length of 41.625 inches that there is insufficient silk windings on E string and the G string. (this scale length is not uncommon)

The E string has 2.5 inches of plain string around the peg

The G string has 1.0 inch of plain string around the peg

The silk on the A and D strings are more than sufficient.

I have even had the tailpiece moved towards the tail of the instrument, and the tail itself is correct at 340 mm long, which is standard for a 3/4 bass.

My personal feeling is that these strings are too long for smaller 3/4 bases and that the metal windings going around the peg even if only for a short distance does hamper the sound. Anything that prevents the strings vibrating naturally along its length can do alter the strings sound. The E and G string cannot be as flexible as they should be above the nut.
But also the metal windings will distort in time and open up. (Pirastro Obligato were my previous and much loved strings and I didn't have this problem with them) Its seems that manufacturers don't want to make strings of different lengths anymore ... one size fits all is simpler for them ! But these are expensive strings and will not last so long because of this, which is a shame as they are otherwise excellent in every way !

Philb the bass

Eric Hochberg · #13 03-21-2011, 06:51 AM

if you switch your E and A string pegs, you'll have less metal around the E peg (and improved response, I bet). I wouldn't assume metal around the peg is a bad thing with these strings, Francois is the string guru around here and knows his stuff. Also, before nut string flexibility on the E and G in the traditional peg position seems seems like a moot point, as there is so little length between nut and peg. How flexible can it be?

**Francois Blais** · #14 03-21-2011, 07:42 AM

Jargars are very long indeed.
They must be 4/4 size lenght.
A trick you can use with them is to remove the balls and mount them in loop fashion at the tailpiece. You'll save maybe one inch, maybe more.

abaguer · #15 03-23-2011, 05:03 AM

Yeah no problems with the windings around the peg. I've got Jargar forte E A D on my carved bass for orchestra. Swapped out the Jargar G for a Flexocore Original G. That a little more robust. The Jargars are nice and dark under bow, not as loud as some other strings but blend really nice with the other 2 basses and I can raise the action without killing my fingers.

LouisF · #16 03-24-2011, 11:37 PM

I put Jargar Fortes on my Upton Karr Deluxe Hybrid and am very happy with the sound - deep, dark, warm and rich - and no problem with volume. I know Jargar had some production problems a few years ago, but IMO they are a much under-rated string.

Louis