main differences between innovation's 140B and jargar's?

chipsas · #1 02-28-2005, 01:46 AM

so, what are main differences between innovation's 140B and jargar's? i can't make up my mind, which strings could be better for me.. tried corelli, and eudoxa strings. eudoxa's are still on my old german double bass.. and they're pretty close to what i'm searching..

i'm looking for a warm, rich, non-metal sound.. and play mostly arco.

**Francois Blais** · #2 02-28-2005, 07:19 AM

Innovation's 140B use a synthetic core and are quite thicker than regular steel strings. That may involve nut and bridge groove adjustments.
I found them to be of so-so craftmanship.
Jargars are steel, and available in three gauges. I'd choose them over 140B's without hesitation (but that's only my opinion!), furthermore if you're playing mostly arco! (not a bit of metallic quality in these)

chipsas · #3 02-28-2005, 11:03 AM

hmm, so jargar's are more melodious compared to innovations i guess?
and what about tension? are they loud enough for egz. jargar's dolce in orchestral tuning? or maybe they are recomended just for solo or jazz playing? i play mostly symphony music in orchestra, and solo.. so i consider if it's good to play with these both.. solo, and in orchestra, m, what you think?
i'm afraid a little bit that jargar's dolce in orchestra tuning could be very weak.. but maybe i'm wrong?
you know, it's very discomfortable to change every time strings..for solo.. but.. if you must, you must!

**Francois Blais** · #4 02-28-2005, 11:52 AM

Jargar Dolces are thin enough for solo-tuning, but can be used at orchestra pitch, although you may want to raise the action a bit.
They are louder than many other orchestral solo strings tuned down at orchestra pitch. (thinking of Pirastro Flexocor '92)
More melodious then 140Bs?
To me they're darker, if that means anything versus melody.

chipsas · #5 02-28-2005, 12:30 PM

thanks man! i think i will follow your suggestion

but i really still doubt about what of 3 jargar string types could be better for me..
darker- it's ok,.... !
i mean "melodious"= gentle, soft, silken voice..

**Francois Blais** · #6 02-28-2005, 02:03 PM

Following your definition of melodious, the Jargar are definitely the winner.
Which gauge to use?
You were talking about solo and orchestra playing. The Dolces would fit both, and have the softest tone.
The more tension you choose, more brilliancy and sustain you'll get (although with Jargar, even the Fortes are still very warm), but also more stiffness and forget about solo-tuning with Fortes!
The Fortes E&A can be somewhat muddy.
I'd stick with Dolces or Mediums.
But if you intend to tune at solo pitch, I'd pick the Dolces.

chipsas · #7 02-28-2005, 06:31 PM

yep, i'll probably try dolce strings.. i still worry that they can be too weak for me in orchestra tuning though..
just one thing aroused my curiosity, how can they sound like gut strings? jargar's are steel strings after all..

**Francois Blais** · #8 02-28-2005, 07:34 PM

They are loaded with dampening stuff, between the inner core and outer wrap, which removes all metallic overtones. (some kind of synthetic stuff and also probably silk)
The warmest steel string I know!

chipsas · #9 03-01-2005, 02:45 AM

m, i see.. thank's for all info man!

bdengler · #10 03-09-2005, 07:58 AM

Sorry to intercede here, but I have a Jagar related question. They seem to feel buttery to the hand and to the bow; as I read someone's posting on talkbass at one time, he said you can draw the bow any where and still get a decent sound (that is, no scratching, etc.). Jagars are very dark and have a very rope like sound. I love 'em, especially on my bass that tends to be bright. But I have one question: do you folks know whether Jagars are lighter in tension than say, Helicore Medium orchestrals??

Thanks, Brian

**Francois Blais** · #11 03-09-2005, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdengler

But I have one question: do you folks know whether Jagars are lighter in tension than say, Helicore Medium orchestrals??

The contruction is so different between the Helicores and the Jargars, and without actual tension measurements, it's hard to tell.
I think the Jargars have lower tension, but their design may make them feel stiffer.
Tension and stiffness are different things although related at some point.
Also note that Jargars are available in three gauges, like Helicores.

kwd · #12 03-09-2005, 11:53 AM

I am considering Jargars next in my perpetual string experiment. I play mostly arco but I want something that will pass for jazz. Will going from Corelli 380XFs to the Jargar Fortes be a big adjustment? Reading between the lines, I gather that the pizz sound and feel is not much different that the Helicore Orch(arco) strings -which can be ambiguous and thuddy.

**Francois Blais** · #13 03-09-2005, 02:16 PM

I'd say the Jargars are even more thuddy.
It's an arco string, with a tone similar to gut.
Corellis are quite bright in my book.
Corellis vs Jargar would be like day & night I think!

kwd · #14 03-09-2005, 06:30 PM

Thank you for the reply. You just saved me $125.

bdengler · #15 03-10-2005, 02:14 PM

I agree with Francois. I think the Corelli's would make a better "hybrid" string than Jagars. Jagars are wonderful to bow but they are very "thuddy" for pizz. Corelli's do a nice job with pizz. They are brighter, but not strident when bowed, like Spirocores. Plus Corelli's speak easy under the bow (of course, so do Jagars).

Brian

LouisF · #16 03-15-2005, 10:01 PM

It seems to be my string comment day, as I just put my 2 cents in on the Corelli 370 thread. As to the "night and day" -- I have both -- Jargar mediums on a small, carved chamber music bass and the corelli's on a large hybrid bass made by Adrian Giormenti in Buenos Aires.

The Jargars give the smaller bass more body, a very dark sound (which I like) and a very smooth and buttery to play. The Corelli's give the big bass real clarity and focus. Both are very easy on the hands IMO.