Pairing Spirocores with Permanents

Eli_Upright12 · #1 06-25-2009, 12:34 PM

I have a quick question for anyone who wants to weigh in. I am using the whole Permanent set right now, but he A and E are kind of thuddy and dead. I am going to replace them with Spirocores, but I'm wondering whether the Mittles or Weichs would be a better fit. I play and study classical, but do a lot of jazz playing too. I know all the spirocores tend to be good for jazz, but I have heard the mittels bow better. Also I'm not sure where the permanents fit in terms of size with the two spirocore guages. Thanks for the help.

Eli_Upright12 · #2 06-25-2009, 05:14 PM

A thread about the most talked about string on this forum and no replies!?! C'mon someone throw me a line here.

BrandonTurner · #3 06-25-2009, 06:59 PM

I just tried the spiro weich (A+E) and permanents (G+D) and it was not for me. The weich are similar in timbre (but not totally right) but the were too soft in comparison in terms of feel. I also the E was not doing it for me, dead around my Ab.

I am loving my Permanent G+D but am also looking for the right match.

Now I was trying to decide between Spirocore mediums and Perm A+E.

**Francois Blais** · #4 06-25-2009, 07:22 PM

I'm thinking of trying Evah weich's E&A with Perms D&G...
I also don't like the Perms A&E.
Too muddy and kind of dead in comparison to the D&G, which are great.

BrandonTurner · #5 06-25-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Francois Blais

I'm thinking of trying Evah weich's E&A with Perms D&G...
I also don't like the Perms A&E.
Too muddy and kind of dead in comparison to the D&G, which are great.

I also tried this combo. The strings didn't match well at all on my bass. The volume and timbre were totally different...

Eli_Upright12 · #6 06-25-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Francois Blais

I'm thinking of trying Evah weich's E&A with Perms D&G...
I also don't like the Perms A&E.
Too muddy and kind of dead in comparison to the D&G, which are great.

I've played both, I don't know if they would match in girth and in tone. I found the low strings on the Evahs pretty dark, not much sustain. They are also thicker than the Permanents, but who knows. It could probalby work, I think it sounds like the Mittles might be the way to go.

BrandonTurner · #7 06-25-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Eli_Upright12

I've played both, I don't know if they would match in girth and in tone. I found the low strings on the Evahs pretty dark, not much sustain. They are also thicker than the Permanents, but who knows. It could probalby work, I think it sounds like the Mittles might be the way to go.

I am going to try that too. I was playing Evah Pirazzi Medium E+A and Permanent D+G. That combo works pretty ok but the Evahs are considerably darker. Now I am on New G-D Perm Old beatup Perm A string and Moderately used Evah Medium E.

Still waffling over buying Permanent or Spiro Medium E +A !

Eli_Upright12 · #8 06-25-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandonTurner

I am going to try that too. I was playing Evah Pirazzi Medium E+A and Permanent D+G. That combo works pretty ok but the Evahs are considerably darker. Now I am on New G-D Perm Old beatup Perm A string and Moderately used Evah Medium E.

Still waffling over buying Permanent or Spiro Medium E +A !

Yeah the price of strings is ridiculous, its like 200 for a spirocore set. It makes you think twice about trying new strings.

BrandonTurner · #9 06-25-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Eli_Upright12

Yeah the price of strings is ridiculous, its like 200 for a spirocore set. It makes you think twice about trying new strings.

Seriously! I put the word out to my bass playing buddies to see if they have any beat up spirocores in a box somewhere.

About every 2-3 years I seem to go through this as I get better and my change tastes.

BrandonTurner · #10 06-27-2009, 09:23 PM

So it turns out that I really like the Spirocore Mittels and the Permanent Combo. (spirocores E+A) In volume , color, tension and gauge these strings work really well. They sustain more then the Perms which gives a better sound Pizz.

Hooray! The search is over for now!

The both Spirocore weich and Evah weich were too weak in comparison to the G and D perm . I also tried the Evah Pirrazzi medium and they didn't match the Permanents in terms of speed and color.

Eli_Upright12 · #11 06-28-2009, 11:36 AM

I'll have to find some Mittels. I think my bass is screaming for some thick, but not as stiff strings. Unfortunately as much as I like the top two Permanents, I think the bottom two might have to go. They are kind of thuddy and dead, though the A has gotten steadily better as its broken in and also was aided by the weight of a wolftone eliminator. Has anyone ever tried the set up of Permanent D and G, then Belcanto E and A on the bottom?
These seem to be two of the most picked bowing strings and I wonder if they might work together. Thoughts?

BrandonTurner · #12 07-29-2009, 10:04 PM

So I am still loving this permanent G+D plus Spiro Mittel A+E situation . What a killer combo!! With a good set up i don't know why more people don't use this, as it does almost everything. Good pizz, good arco (you have to work to find it ) sustain, thud, clarity. I am hooked.

Also, I think a good set up makes spirocores mittels a totally different string then a bad one.

That is all..

TroyK · #13 07-29-2009, 11:45 PM

Sorry I didn't see this thread earlier, I would have said Mittels and not Weichs. Perms are actually pretty meaty.

I found that the E and A sounded great when I put them on, but the juice seeped out of them fairly quickly and then they got kind of uninteresting sounding.

I actually never liked the Perm G and only tolerated the D. It had a sweet spot between maybe 3 and 8 months that it sounded okay, but before and after that is was not my favorite.