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Old 08-07-2010, 01:33 AM
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'76 Ric 4001 - broken truss rod nut

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I just bought a 76 4001, and it's got a broken bass-side truss rod nut.



What's involved in the repair? Is this something that should be done by a Ric-experienced tech, and how much should this repair cost? Any recommendations for a qualified tech in the Phoenix area?
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Old 08-07-2010, 02:45 AM
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Ric truss rods work by having a threaded end with a nut that bears down upon the aluminium block you can see near the nut. The rod then travels down the neck and at it's furthest point from the nut is folded back on itself and is bought back towards the nut until the 'free' end meets the back of the same aluminium block that the threaded side bears on.

Basically, as you tighten the rod, the whole thing gets pulled tighter through the 'block' holes, the free end that is jammed behind the block can't move anywhere so the free half of the rod can't do anything but bow upwards exerting a back bow pressure on the neck.

Harder to describe than visualise when you see the rod in action.

What it means, however, is that the rods are not glued into the truss rod channel in any way, so if you take the strings off, get a thin walled 1/4" nut driver and remove the nut from the other rod, you will be able to remove the aluminium block and the truss rods can be slid out. You may be lucky to get enough of a grip on the broken rod to tease it out of the channel.

Once that's done you just need to slide a replacement rod in. Replacements are available from Rickenbacker, but given their sporadic stock levels, it's not rocket science so it should be a simple enough job for any engineering shop to make a duplicate rod using your good rod as a pattern.

When you're setting it up again, remember that on a Rick 4001 the way to set the relief is to manually bend the neck to where you want it and then just snug the nuts up. The truss rods are only designed to hold the neck in place rather than shift it. Trying to shift the neck by overtightening the rod is probably how the rod got broken in the first place.

This link might help
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Old 08-07-2010, 06:25 AM
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Actually, if you can get the rod out, you can rethread the rod and reinstal it. If its an inch or so shorter, it wont hurt anything.

Go to www.joeysbassnotes.com for some info on the old style rods.
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Old 08-07-2010, 07:22 AM
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Rods for a 4003 are available from Rickenbacker. For a 4001 you will need to have them made. A guy named Dale Fortune will make you a pair for around $50 I think. They are easy enough to replace yourself though.
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Old 08-08-2010, 09:33 AM
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No dice here...

The Truss Rod Rescue kit is not for double-action truss rods.
These designs, including our own Hot Rod® truss rods, combine two shafts to achieve their "push-pull" effect.

I might try to contact Mr. Fortune, to see if he can help me guide my decision. Do you have any contact information?
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I believe that 4001 rods are different from 4003 rods. As a previous poster said the 4001 rods are folded back on themselves.

I believe that you can pull out the rods when they are not under tension. I recommend removing the remaining truss rod nut and removing the aluminum plate. If there is a stub of the broken rod you can grab the end with pliers or vise grips and pull out the rod.

Then I recommend putting new threads further down on the broken end and cutting the unthreaded end. Kind of hard to explain but make it look like the unbroken rod just a bit shorter.
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No dice here...

The Truss Rod Rescue kit is not for double-action truss rods.
These designs, including our own Hot Rod® truss rods, combine two shafts to achieve their "push-pull" effect.

I might try to contact Mr. Fortune, to see if he can help me guide my decision. Do you have any contact information?
I don't think the Ric rods are double action. There are two single action rods. A double action rod pushes and pulls.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:22 AM
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I believe that 4001 rods are different from 4003 rods. As a previous poster said the 4001 rods are folded back on themselves.

I believe that you can pull out the rods when they are not under tension. I recommend removing the remaining truss rod nut and removing the aluminum plate. If there is a stub of the broken rod you can grab the end with pliers or vise grips and pull out the rod.

Then I recommend putting new threads further down on the broken end and cutting the unthreaded end. Kind of hard to explain but make it look like the unbroken rod just a bit shorter.
I read this, as well. I'm a little apprehensive about jacking with this removal/cut/rethread process, by myself. Every time I do something that I'm not trained on, something unexpected happens that leaves me frustrated (and screwed) until I can find a qualified person. Be it replacing water heaters, fuel pumps, or truss rods. If I haven't done it before, and there's nobody experienced to help me, I wind up regretting it.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:35 AM
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The Rickenbacker 4003 has modern truss rods that work like other basses ... they move the neck. The old 4001 basses had a different type of rods. On the 4001 you loosen the strings and the rods move the neck by hand and then tighten the rods. The rods on a 4001 simple lock down the neck. People who don't know this will tighten the rods and damage the neck. It can be repaired ... but use a good Ric repairman.

The 4003 the rods can easily be replaced and they are available from Rickenbacker and Ric dealers.

The upside of the old 4001 basses is that once you get the neck set it will be stable for decades. Unless you decide to use strings that have a lot more or a lot less tension.
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I much prefer 4001 to 4003.
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