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Old 12-12-2010, 10:42 AM
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Can i tighten sloppy Elephant Ear tuners?

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I picked up an Ibanez ATK305 from the MF blowout, and the bushings on a couple of the tuners are very loose. They're the cheap style, where the backplate is bent in a "U" to form the bushings for the worm gear.

A couple of them are crowded very close together, and they're 3/4 size, so I can't just slap a set of regular tuners on there without leaving a mess.

Any advice about how to tighten a sloppy bushing? I was wondering if I might be able to dimple the top of the "U" with a drift, in order to take up the slack.
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Hi.

On some desingns all that it takes is to turn the wheel the other way around.

On all designs I've seen, bending the plate spring will take up most of the slack, if not all.

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Old 12-13-2010, 10:47 AM
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Thanks, Sam.

Oddly enough, I've never looked closely at these things before- didn't even realize there was a spring in there!
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Old 12-13-2010, 08:30 PM
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Based on Sam's advice, I loosened the G string until there was just enough tension left on the string to keep the ball end from jumping out of the bridge. Then I attacked the tuner, removing the large screw that holds the gear to the back of the string post.



With the screw off, I removed the gear, exposing the leaf spring that tensions the tuner. Pulling the string post down through the headstock about half-way gave enough clearance to remove the spring, which turns out to be made of two pieces- a black plastic shim, and the chrome spring:



I took the spring, and tensioned it by bending the end up slightly:



It doesn't take much of a bend to produce the required tension:



Then, I reinstalled the spring, checking to confirm that I had sufficient tension:





After re-installing the gear and tightening the screw, I made sure to hold the string with my thumb as I tightened it up, to keep the string wound neatly around the post:



After repeating the process four more times, I was pleased to find that tuning is now much smoother. Best of all, after fixing the loose tuners, the dead spot was considerably reduced. Before re-tensioning the tuners, I had a broad dead spot from about B to D# on the first and second strings. Now it only affects the D# on the first string.

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Nicely documented!
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:15 AM
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You're welcome.

Very well documented repair pictorial. I hope the mods will see it as a sticky material, as it's a pretty common problem with open gear tuners.

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Old 12-15-2010, 02:01 PM
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I have an '89 MIJ Fender with sloppy tuners.
Are they the same?
Can I do this?
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Old 12-15-2010, 02:15 PM
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I have an '89 MIJ Fender with sloppy tuners.
Are they the same?
Can I do this?
Don't know for sure, but it's a common design.

As long as you detune the string before you start, you can't do any damage by checking it out. Just loosen the string, then use a Phillips head screwdriver to undo the big screw on the back of the gear.

If there's a leaf spring under the gear, as shown in these pictures, you should be good to go.

Two important precautions before you start:
- make sure you have a good quality screwdriver, large enough to engage the screw head firmly- you don't want to chew up the screw head.
- hold the headstock over a piece of newspaper or a bowl, to catch the string post if it drops out.

Oh, and report back on how it goes. There are a lot of Fender who would appreciate the information...

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