D-tuner and neck dive

[Truktek2]

Has anyone experienced neck dive after installing a hipshot d-tuner? I just installed one on a fender jazz, and while not extreme, the balance was definitely affected. I realize everything's a trade off and the tuner is a bit burly. Can anything be done? I can't get rid of it now, that low d makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. :')

[Slowgypsy]

Originally Posted by Truktek2

Has anyone experienced neck dive after installing a hipshot d-tuner? I just installed one on a fender jazz, and while not extreme, the balance was definitely affected. I realize everything's a trade off and the tuner is a bit burly. Can anything be done? I can't get rid of it now, that low d makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. :')

Had the same thing happen on my P bass. Didn't change it a lot, but did change the balance a little. I live with it.

One thing you could do is change the remaining tuners to ultralights.

[Truktek2]

Good idea with the ultra lights. It must be worse with a pbass since I believe the bodies are actually lighter than a jazz.

[Slowgypsy]

Originally Posted by Truktek2

Good idea with the ultra lights. It must be worse with a pbass since I believe the bodies are actually lighter than a jazz.

Body weights vary widely. Depends on the slab of wood used. So I wouldn't say that P Basses are lighter than Jazz Basses. Actually, my P Bass is a hefty one.

[JehuJava]

Really? A few ounces made a difference? Shipping weight is 4oz...that's shipping weight not the weight minus the old tuner. That's the tuner plus the package (not the box). I find it hard to believe...but maybe I'm wrong.

[Slowgypsy]

Originally Posted by JehuJava

Really? A few ounces made a difference? Shipping weight is 4oz...that's shipping weight not the weight minus the old tuner. That's the tuner plus the package (not the box). I find it hard to believe...but maybe I'm wrong.

I completely understand your point, however, when I put a Hipshot D Tuner on my P bass, I actually did feel a shift in weight. As I said, it was minor and I just chose to live with it... but it is there.

[JehuJava]

I remember trying one of those Fat Finger clamps back in the day on my headstock. Not only did I notice no improvement in tone or sustain, but I don't remember noticing any balance issues either. I may be more tolerant of weight shifts I suppose. I think I have that thing still. I'll try to find it and see if the balance shifts.

[Slowgypsy]

Originally Posted by JehuJava

I remember trying one of those Fat Finger clamps back in the day on my headstock. Not only did I notice no improvement in tone or sustain, but I don't remember noticing any balance issues either. I may be more tolerant of weight shifts I suppose. I think I have that thing still. I'll try to find it and see if the balance shifts.

It also depends on how your instrument is currently balancing. If it's body heavy, there probably won't be much of a shift. But if it's totally neutral, then a slight shift towards the neck will be noticeable. For me, on this particular instrument, it was small, easy to deal with, but noticeable.

[Nev375]

I guess you need a heavy high mass bridge to compensate.

If that doesn't work, hang a little mojo-bag off your strap button filled with a pound of lead shot.

[Truktek2]

4 oz times 34 inch scale=136 in/oz of torque! kidding mostly, but it is noticible. Just enough to irk me. Good to know about the P. When I finally get around to getting one, it must be lighter than my jazz.

[Truktek2]

Originally Posted by Nev375

I guess you need a heavy high mass bridge to compensate.

If that doesn't work, hang a little mojo-bag off your strap button filled with a pound of lead shot.

I would, but it's been years since I've played heavy metal.

[lakesguypaul]

try moving your top strap lock ,had a Thunderbird bass that would bounce the head stock off the floor until i moved it

[Nev375]

Tie some helium balloons to the headstock. This works exceptionally well If you play light rock for weddings.

[georgestrings]

Originally Posted by JehuJava

Really? A few ounces made a difference? Shipping weight is 4oz...that's shipping weight not the weight minus the old tuner. That's the tuner plus the package (not the box). I find it hard to believe...but maybe I'm wrong.

Exactly - after you figure in the weight difference from the old tuner, it can't be more than an ounce or two difference... I have them on 2 of my basses, and didn't notice any balance differences - I think it's in your imagination, OP...


- georgestrings

[Ric5]

D-tuner and neck dive

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Hmmm another reason I don't like de-tuners ...

Why not just tune to D standard DGCF?