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01-28-2010, 10:21 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL | | | do Hipshot ultralights really help neckdive?
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I knew they would be lighter, but do they make that big of a difference? I need new tuners and wanted to ask before I bought a particular type. |
01-28-2010, 10:25 AM
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EXAR pedals rep for North & Central America | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX, OR | | | They can turn a bass that balances pretty decently into one that balances great. They cannot turn a neck-diver into a non-neck-diver. |
01-28-2010, 10:27 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lancaster, OH | | | It depends... if you're going from Fender-type tuners (the big, heazy elephant ear type) to the Hipshots, there will be a good difference. If you're going from Gotoh type enclosed tuners, teh difference may be negligible. What kind of bass are they going on? |
01-28-2010, 10:45 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: D'Shaw | | | I've use many sets of Hipshot Ultralights and IME, Hipshots have never made neckdive worse and always improved the balance, often remarkably. I used them to replace Gibson, Fender, and G&L open style tuners.
But currently my favorite tuners are the Gotoh Res-O-Lite 350s. 4 of the 350s weigh about as much as 3 of the Hipshots I've used in the past.
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01-28-2010, 10:49 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL | | | MTD Kingston Heir tuners (small enclosed), but had also considered them for my Squire 60s jazz (whenever I buy it) |
01-28-2010, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bongomania  They can turn a bass that balances pretty decently into one that balances great. They cannot turn a neck-diver into a non-neck-diver. | This is a great description of what they do!
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01-28-2010, 11:15 AM
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Endorsing Artist: J.C. Basses | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Phoenix, Arizona 85029 | | | They do, but if you don't have the money and don't mind a little extra weight, you can put some lead fishing weights in the control cavity of the bass to counter the headstock. I usually do this in conjunction with the ultra-lites to keep my bass as vertical as possible.
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01-28-2010, 11:55 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL | | | very cool idea. I wouldn't have thought of that. |
01-29-2010, 03:09 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC | | | or tape backed wheel weight material works even better. you can buy it in lengths and cut it to taste...
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01-29-2010, 04:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Loughborough | | | I know this may be a little dumb, but do the lighter tuners affect the tone of the bass when you replace the old heavy ones (I have the solid old Fender ones from '97)!
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01-29-2010, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kyral210 I know this may be a little dumb, but do the lighter tuners affect the tone of the bass when you replace the old heavy ones (I have the solid old Fender ones from '97)! | Not that I have noticed.
For those of you jamming fishing weights in control cavities....just attach them to the butt-end of your strap if you experience spatial constraints.
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01-29-2010, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kyral210 I know this may be a little dumb, but do the lighter tuners affect the tone of the bass when you replace the old heavy ones (I have the solid old Fender ones from '97)! |
Not dumb at all. Does the mass reduction from the headstock introduce any difference in sound/dead spots/ any changes that might be a negative? Great question actually. I, too would like to get some input.
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01-29-2010, 05:04 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis | | | If you have bat ears.
Technically putting a big scratch or denting your bass would change the way it vibrates as whole. Amplified and with human ears it will sound identical.
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01-29-2010, 05:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Diego, CA | | | I like them because they feel very precise when tuning... And every OZ offa the instrument helps! |
01-29-2010, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightlyraider If you have bat ears.
Technically putting a big scratch or denting your bass would change the way it vibrates as whole. Amplified and with human ears it will sound identical. |  are you kidding? A scratch? A dent? Technically? Vibrates as a whole? These minute details were not what was being asked.
Removing the mass of the original Fender tuners could have a dramatic affect on dead spots specifically and other aspects as well. Technically, it may reduce the ability for sustain. |
01-29-2010, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kyral210 I know this may be a little dumb, but do the lighter tuners affect the tone of the bass when you replace the old heavy ones (I have the solid old Fender ones from '97)! | A few months ago I replaced those big closed-back tuners on my '03 Jazz with Hipshot Ultralights, and I can hear absolutely no difference. What I do notice is how much better the bass balances and how much better my shoulder feels after a long night of playing. The weight reduction was 1/2 lb.--all of it out at the end of neck!
BTW, although it was not shown anywhere on their website, Hipshot (at least at the time I got them) had in stock a small quantity of the HB6C tuner with a slightly longer (a little more than 3/16" longer) stem that allows it to sit a bit higher above the headstock than the standard version and looks a lot better on a Fender. |
01-29-2010, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bongomania They can turn a bass that balances pretty decently into one that balances great. They cannot turn a neck-diver into a non-neck-diver. | They turned my explorer bass from a diver into one that balances, but, I did add a heavy bridge at the same time. |
01-29-2010, 06:05 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA | | | It depends on how much of a neck-diver it is, but ultralites (or Res-o-lites) will certainly help.
Typically, Ultralites will reduce the tuner weight by around 50%. A good way to test before you buy is to remove two of the old tuners and see how it effects the balance. This will approximate what 4 ultralites would feel like.
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01-30-2010, 10:09 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Datsgor are you kidding? A scratch? A dent? Technically? Vibrates as a whole? These minute details were not what was being asked.
Removing the mass of the original Fender tuners could have a dramatic affect on dead spots specifically and other aspects as well. Technically, it may reduce the ability for sustain. | The OP was wondering if sound was gonna change; and it "could".
There are sound-waves bouncing back and forth throughout the entire body of the instrument; and ANY physical change will affect the harmonics. There won't be any difference you can hear; just as switching tuners would do.
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01-30-2010, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Datsgor Removing the mass of the original Fender tuners could have a dramatic affect on dead spots specifically and other aspects as well. Technically, it may reduce the ability for sustain. | I've replaced the stock heavy tuners on at least 30 Fenders and Fender style basses with ultralight tuners and there was no such effect.
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