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Old 06-10-2010, 11:34 PM
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So, the reason I am posting this is because it was all the "refurbing cheap basses" threads that inspired me to finally give it a shot in the first place. I also haven't been in a good financial position for basses/gear for a few years now and was in need of an inexpensive back-up/other tonal option for recording.
A little background: I've been playing for 17 years and doing my own set-ups and minor repairs for a lot of that time, BUT I have no woodworking experience to speak of and would not even consider doing anything resembling "building" an instrument. However, I spent a couple of years following a lot of your refin/upgrade threads and after learning a lot, I decided I could do it.

So, I went CL hunting and I found a Jay Turser MM 5 copy and a hard case for just over 100 bucks. I thought "perfect!".

Here was my original plan: Strip paint and if wood is good -natural finish (boiled linseed oil/nitro), if it's pressboard or something -metallic purple.
Change all hardware to black. Change p/g to black.
Upgrade wiring, pots and caps. Shield cavity.

Here are the things I did not think through as I should have: I don't own many tools (at all), I live in a small apartment and have no garage/shop space (at all) but, you know, I dun lernt it from TB.

The "before" pics are from the seller (read: no they're not my shoes, messy house, etc.)




It's really hard to see in the seller's pics (and I didn't get any 'befores' myself) but the string alignment is off. It lined up fine from the bridge and over the pu poles but at the nut, the B was almost off the board and lots of room between the other side and the G. I said something about it here and some people thought that bridge placement was the only cause and any other theory was "hogwash". Well, it was pretty obvious that the professionals in whatever country this bass was built in simply carved all the nut slots too far to the bass side. So, being one of those things I'm not set up to do, I took it to my trusted tech who carved up a new bone nut and got the alignment problem solved (cost me $50). I found that the bridge, neckplate and pickup were all solid (but we're going all back) but the tuning gears were made of some type of hardened plastic and slipped easily. Also the pots were in real bad shape.
Got myself Citristrip, sanding paper and block.
I was hoping that the Citristrip would only take one application since the paint/finish was obviously very thin and because I'd have to leave it poorly hidden on my small apartment porch for 24 hours. I did exactly that... and it did nothing (actually I think it did soften the clear on the neck and headstock). But, my lack of a safe, private space stopped me from continuing down the Citristrip road. Elbow grease time! Here are a couple shots during sanding (by hand).


After lots and lots of sanding, all the paint is gone and the wood looks good enough to keep natural. BUT, once the paint was off I discovered the sealant. Ugh. I tried to sand it away, but it was 10x tougher than the paint and really gummed up the sandpaper (plus this was after many hours of sanding the paint off) so, I decided that I needed help. The only person I could think of with a good collection of tools was a friend/housemate of my brother-in-law's. I bring the body to him (the neck had no sealer) and I find out that he doesn't have an orbital, belt or finish sander but he does have a grinder and an even finer grit sandpaper wheel on it than I had been using by hand (and I couldn't put a scratch in it). So I say "let's give it a shot".
It only took him about a minute while my back was turned to get the the sealant off the back and almost half the front. However, those places on the body were now covered in HUGE gashes! Great (sorry but I did not get pics of that. Wish I had). Now I still have sealant to get off and I have to sand all these gashes out.
Enter forced tool purchase: A mouse palm-sander with bag and lots of sandpaper and buffing attachments (I also got this on CL for $25). Luckily, it only took about an hour with the sander to get the back smooth and level again and now only the very deepest gashes are reduced to little "dings". After that, the weather got bad and I haven't had a chance to do anymore sanding, but it's clearing up this weekend so I'll finish the sanding next week (I have 3 kids, a business, a band and a recording project, so I have very little time to work on it).

One night in middle of all this, I thought "painting the pickgaurd just seems unimaginative and lame. What can I do to make this more creative/personalized?" Then it hit me.
It took me about 30 minutes at Salvation Army and a total of $0.88 to find the perfect pickgaurd: K-tel's Power House, 1976, 20 original hits 20 original artists. This includes one of my favorites; Leon Haywood's "I wanna do something freaky to you".

So, the other day while it was raining (again), I made my template. Don't know if you can tell but Leon Haywood (as well as Hot Chocolate) will still be visible above the pickup. And I'll have enough room to make a new cavity cover too:


Also, while shopping for cheap black parts, I endlessly searched for a retrofit bridge. Nope. Can't find a single one with the same screw configuration. I was getting really frustrated until I had another brilliant idea. One phone call and I find out that I can get the neckplate and bridge parts (sans springs) powder coated for around $20! (remember, these are solid and definitely usable) We like cheap and easy solutions.

I promise the progress posts won't be this long and have lots of pics, just wanted you to know the story up to this point.

One thing I could use some advice on is; how should I cut this record without it cracking or breaking? Thanks.

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Old 06-12-2010, 12:09 AM
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Here are some shots of the neck and headstock. The lighting and crappy phone pics don't do the grain justice, especially on the headstock. I just finished the "dry" sanding and monday I'll have a chance to get into a little wet sanding and then apply the first coat of linseed oil.


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Old 06-12-2010, 07:45 PM
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So, does anyone have a suggestion on how to cut this piece of vinyl?
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:17 AM
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Ok well, I guess I'll go back to the thrift store and spend a couple more dollars on some Linda Ronstadt and Barbara Streisand and do a little trial 'n' error. The first experiment will be with a razor-blade knife, then I'm not sure. This may force another tool purchase... dremel maybe?
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:18 AM
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One thing I could use some advice on is; how should I cut this record without it cracking or breaking? Thanks.
I think a dull chisel and a five pound sledge hammer would do the job nicely...

Lets analyze this. You paid $100 for a $40 bass, then paid $50 for a $20 nut. So far so good. Then you ground off a perfectly useable paint job with a tool designed to grind rusted bolts into dust. Now you've got a five piece butcher block body of pockmarked, mismatched agathis that your going to put linseed oil and nitro on.

I never tried nitro on linseed oil before, but I have a feeling it's gonna wind up like a foul smelling molasses substitute.

Next step is to powder coat the chrome hardware black so that when the powdercoating falls off the chrome it'll look like a relic and match the rest of it.........

BRO - YOU ARE MY HERO!!! I'M SUBSCRIBING TO THIS THREAD AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW IT TURNS OUT.

You might want to post on the Music Man Bass Forum:
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-basses/

I think the folks there would appreciate what you are doing here and might be able to help you make it sound like a real Music Man.

Seriously, I wish you all the luck in the world.
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I think a dull chisel and a five pound sledge hammer would do the job nicely...

Lets analyze this. You paid $100 for a $40 bass, then paid $50 for a $20 nut. So far so good. Then you ground off a perfectly useable paint job with a tool designed to grind rusted bolts into dust. Now you've got a five piece butcher block body of pockmarked, mismatched agathis that your going to put linseed oil and nitro on.

I never tried nitro on linseed oil before, but I have a feeling it's gonna wind up like a foul smelling molasses substitute.

Next step is to powder coat the chrome hardware black so that when the powdercoating falls off the chrome it'll look like a relic and match the rest of it.........

BRO - YOU ARE MY HERO!!! I'M SUBSCRIBING TO THIS THREAD AND CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW IT TURNS OUT.

You might want to post on the Music Man Bass Forum:
http://www.ernieball.com/forums/music-man-basses/

I think the folks there would appreciate what you are doing here and might be able to help you make it sound like a real Music Man.

Seriously, I wish you all the luck in the world.
He started this thread for advice, not critisism. Keep your smart remarks to yourself. It`s a learning process and first refin job. I think he`s doing good so far, and apparently everybody else does too.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:55 AM
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Haha, well good. Subscribe and enjoy. The pics of the body are bad, it's a 3 piece and with a pickgaurd on, it won't look bad. There are a couple knots but they are small & not green or anything. Oh & I got a nice case with the POS so it was a pretty fair price. Btw, look at the "before" pics of the body, perfectly usable paintjob? You can see the waves in it and in person you could kind of see the grain through it. As far as powder coating goes - you must not know much about powder coating, but if you can find me a black 5 string MM bridge with four screw holes and no holes in the top corners then I'll gladly engrave your name right there on the back with a chisel & sledgehammer.
& Pnut166, thanks.
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Old 06-13-2010, 06:07 PM
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/\ That's the plan. Thanks man! I think the wood is gonna look good after it's been "honey-ed" by 20 or 30 coats of oil.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:26 PM
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So, does anyone have a suggestion on how to cut this piece of vinyl?
Jig saw or saber saw will make quick work of roughing out the form. A coping saw will do it just as well with a little bit more sweat. The edges can be finished with a Dremel or any other router like tool and a bevel bit. The low tech answer is files and scraper. You'll want both flat and round files for this job.

As far as the pickup rout goes, a router with a top bearing bit and templates are the only way to go. The low tech answer is to drill a hole, thread the coping saw blade in and rough out the hole. Refine the hole with the files.

It is a good idea to buy some scrap and practice on that.
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I like your spirit

I kinda wonder if the chemical stripping approach could have worked with either application of heat or a little scratch-up to dull the surface first. Apartment porch for Portland with the weather we've had this "Spring" -- it wasn't warm enough to activate the citristrip.

I haven't cut a vinyl record before. With hard/brittle, my strategy is to use very high speed cutter (it'd be my Dremel) moving slowly. Keep it supported well, perhaps sandwiched between two sheets of something more amenable to cutting. DEFINITELY practice before attacking the irreplaceable K-TEL!

My advice on something like this is to do it in the right order, understanding that outcomes may change what you do. E.g., the nut is one of the last things your bass needs, so put off taking it to the shop for that. By the time you get to setting up, you may have a different neck. Similarly with the powder coating of the hardware. Good idea to reuse them, but you're not ready for hardware yet. If you end up going with metallic purple paint, will you still want black powder-coated? Will you still want a LP for pickguard?

Seems like great starting bones for a project like this. Good luck!
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Thanks for the responses. Re: cutting the record, sounds like I'll just have to go ahead and pick up a dremel (and I'll definitely practice on a bunch of scrap vinyl).
To Mulchor: In order is the way to go. While my finish is curing, I'll order all my parts and have the powder coating done (only takes about 2 days). And, yes; the LP and black hardware are absolute no matter what the finish ends up being.
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So, after our very nice weather last weekend (while I was working), first thing Monday it got cold and started raining again. Today (Friday) seems to be shaping up to be the first warm, rain-free day of the week. So, if my workload allows, I'll get outside and make some progress on sanding the body. Then I'll wet it down a bit and get some shots of the parts with the good camera, and hopefully this week I'll be able to complete the sanding and get to work on the finish.
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Mmmm trader joes indian food in the first pic. Im actually interested in the 4 string version of this bass. Good luck with the finishing, I also live in a small apartment.
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...Well, nothing but rain lately. Updates as soon as possible.
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Update:
Sorry for the lack of updates on this. I've been extremely busy and it's been hard to find time to work on it.
Since I last posted, I've put about 6 or 7 more hours into sanding the body. I FINALLY got through all of the sealer (the toughest parts being the contours around the horns and neck pocket) and got it all down to 320 grit (due to the deep sanding it took to un-gouge her, I also had to round/bevel a lot of the edges back into existence). Now it's ready for some finer sanding, wet sanding and oil.
I haven't purchased a Dremel yet, so there's been no progress on the pickgaurd... yet. While the finish is curing, I'll be ordering parts so I can get this wrapped up asap. I'll post progress pics of the finishing as I go.
When I finished sanding tonight, I got better pics in it's current state with the upper horn and a spot on the headstock wetted down to give us a peek into the future.


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I pumped to see if the vinyl control panel works out. I've used thin pieces of rosewood, traced with a razor, then sanded. Came out OK, but vinyl would look awesome.

The only thing Citristrip ate up was my $10!
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I was thinking of using a razor for the vinyl, maybe I'll try it on a test record. A dremel would still be handy to have though.
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Perhaps warming the vinyl to make it less brittle during the cuts would help?
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