Gotoh 201 issues?

billiam5billion · #1 09-10-2010, 12:54 PM

I've recently ordered a Gotoh 201 bridge from another TB'er, and while going through a thread about the 201's, I saw two separate posts about having to do major adjustments (neck shimming, truss rod cranking) for the action to get right again. Anybody else have this problem? To clarify, I'll be installing this bridge on a 96 MIM Jazz.

Zooberwerx · #2 09-10-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by billiam5billion

I've recently ordered a Gotoh 201 bridge from another TB'er, and while going through a thread about the 201's, I saw two separate posts about having to do major adjustments (neck shimming, truss rod cranking) for the action to get right again. Anybody else have this problem? To clarify, I'll be installing this bridge on a 96 MIM Jazz.

Truss rod cranking - no....shimming - possibly if dictated by limitations in string height adjustment.

Riis

becker4567 · #3 09-10-2010, 01:00 PM

The Gotoh bridges come with 12mm saddles and if that is what you already have on your current bridge, no problems, but alot of bridges (like mine) have 8mm saddles. No probs either really, just swap saddles to lower the action back to where you like it and leave the neck shimming and truss rod cranking for someone else.

rmkesler · #4 09-10-2010, 01:02 PM

I have one on a 96 MIM P. Nothing special needed to be done. Just a regular setup.

billiam5billion · #5 09-10-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rmkesler

I have one on a 96 MIM P. Nothing special needed to be done. Just a regular setup.

Cool, I'm assuming the J and P had the same bridges then.

blipndub · #6 09-10-2010, 01:17 PM

It depends on the setup you are going for. I like low action with little relief and would rather not shim so the 201 didn't work for me. The Wilkinson brass saddle bridges have the same issue.

billiam5billion · #7 09-10-2010, 01:19 PM

I don't really need super low action, mine is actually set to what many would consider too high, but I like the tap and clank for rockabilly stuff.

mcapote · #8 09-10-2010, 02:03 PM

i have to shim mine because it just leaves my strings too high, but i also am thinking about filling the neck pocket with high build primer because im way high on the strings right now.

mongo2 · #9 09-10-2010, 08:05 PM

I've found that a neck pocket shim is the easiest way to adapt a 201 to a Fender.

Turnaround · #10 09-10-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by billiam5billion

Cool, I'm assuming the J and P had the same bridges then.

Yes and No. 19mm or .75 inches between strings (centre to centre) will yield a satisfactory spacing on a 2004 MIM P bass, but it will leave the string spacing short of centered on a 2001 MIM J Bass.

Thus a Gotoh 201 will be a good match for a P bass of the era it will be less than optimum for a Jass from the same era.

Here's where it can get complicated. Some J Basses use the same width of pickup in both the bridge and neck positions. Some are wider at the bridge. What's right for your bass depends on the precise measurements of the nut, pickups and bridge.

Note that I am referring to OPTIMUM measurements here - whether you or your audience can hear the difference is an entirely different matter. But in a theoretical sense there is an optimum setting.

So if you are the kind of person who can figure out how to do a compound mitre for a crown molding in your living room, it will be a breeze figuring out the geometry of all of this. If not you might reconsider your actions.

billiam5billion · #11 09-11-2010, 09:48 AM

Quick update-the Gotoh came in the mail yesterday, and I was tuning up and amping it within a half hour. No shimming, not even a truss rod adjustment. Action's just fine, and the bridge sounds great. Still gotta make some minor adjustments to the saddle positions, but it was super user friendly and it sounds (and feels) terrific.

mongo2 · #12 09-13-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by billiam5billion

Quick update-the Gotoh came in the mail yesterday, and I was tuning up and amping it within a half hour. No shimming, not even a truss rod adjustment. Action's just fine, and the bridge sounds great. Still gotta make some minor adjustments to the saddle positions, but it was super user friendly and it sounds (and feels) terrific.

Nice...Sometimes you get lucky.

billoetjen · #13 09-13-2010, 06:23 PM

Congratulations! Glad it worked without major hassle. I love the 201 I have on a SX P. I had to swap the stock SX saddles to the 201 and still took a Dremel cut-off wheel to them to deepen the grooves.
I'd go to great lengths to avoid shimming.

billiam5billion · #14 09-13-2010, 06:30 PM

I didn't have to lower my saddles all the way like some have. I even did the setup myself. Actually, it was the first time I'd ever done a setup myself. Can't believe I ever paid someone 50 bucks to do that.

Burke · #15 10-20-2010, 01:55 PM

Installed the 201 last night and I noticed the increased string height as well. As well as increased tension. Didn't think to swap out the saddles. From what I'm reading, these saddles will go right on the intonation screws in the Gotoh? Or do I need to replace the entire Screw, spring, saddle assembly?

Also, any suggestions as to what to use to keep those small saddle height adjusters to stay in the saddles? I have a couple missing out of a couple of my basses and I noticed a few extremely loose ones in the Gotoh and on my stocker when I removed it.