Gotoh 210 vs. "this". Any experiences?

[madisqbu]

Found a bridge which looks exactly like Gotoh 201, but cheaper. Dont know what to think about it?

This bridge:

http://guitarpartsdepot.com/Merchant...g-Bass-Bridges

[jondog]

Originally Posted by madisqbu

Found a bridge which looks exactly like Gotoh 201, but cheaper. Dont know what to think about it?

This bridge:

http://guitarpartsdepot.com/Merchant...g-Bass-Bridges

Bump!

I'd like to know too, the 201 is the replacement everyone recommends for SX basses.

[madisqbu]

So, no experiences, thoughts? What fundamental difference could these two have, measures are the same? Is it a matter of materials, or just the fact that one has the sign Gotoh?

[JGR]

its cheaper for a reason - lower quality materials. i'm sure it's just find for a cheap bass, but i would spring for the extra cash if you are putting it on a nicer one.

[jondog]

Originally Posted by JGR

its cheaper for a reason - lower quality materials. i'm sure it's just find for a cheap bass, but i would spring for the extra cash if you are putting it on a nicer one.

Please share your evidence of low quality materials in this particular bridge.

There are *many* ways products can be cheaper *without* using low quality metal, such as adopting a smaller profit margin, avoiding advertising, reducing overhead, manufacturing in countries with no labor or environmental laws, etc.

[madisqbu]

so, the material quality could be different. But how much can differ on brass/aluminium bridge from the other brass/aluminium bridge. Matter of taste. I dont mean that brass bridges are better than alu bridges, both have their +es and -es. But how big differences cam between brass and brass. Can the quality of brass/alu really vary that much, that it would affect sound. May the quality of a material vary at all, would it be the same material?

[DJ Bebop]

Originally Posted by jondog

Bump!

I'd like to know too, the 201 is the replacement everyone recommends for SX basses.

Yes the 201 is the one that everyone, or at least me recommends. And I have both bridges.This one http://guitarpartsdepot.com/Merchant...g-Bass-Bridges
was my first, it's better than the stock one by far. But the Gotoh 201 I like even better than that.

[jondog]

Originally Posted by DJ Bebop

Yes the 201 is the one that everyone, or at least me recommends. And I have both bridges.This one http://guitarpartsdepot.com/Merchant...g-Bass-Bridges
was my first, it's better than the stock one by far. But the Gotoh 201 I like even better than that.

Cool! What are the differences between this and the 201?

[DJ Bebop]

Originally Posted by jondog

Cool! What are the differences between this and the 201?

The saddles are bigger on the 201 and to my ears better sustain. But if your short on cash the other one is a good replacement for a SX.

[madisqbu]

To DJ Bebop. Do you see the diffrence only in what considers saddles, or is the any diffrence in materials, in how much the weight? When its a good replacement for SX, then it should be a good replacement for MIM jazz and squier as well?

[DJ Bebop]

Originally Posted by madisqbu

To DJ Bebop. Do you see the diffrence only in what considers saddles, or is the any diffrence in materials, in how much the weight? When its a good replacement for SX, then it should be a good replacement for MIM jazz and squier as well?

I don't know what the material is that they are made of, but it seems to me that the 201 is heaver.

When is it a good replacement? When you are looking for a more focused less traditional sound. I mean if you want a 62 P bass to sound like a 62 P bass leave the stock bridge on, if however you want more sustain and clarity you might want to go for a heaver bridger like the "Deluxe Style" or the Gotoh 201 or even the Badass 2.

In that case all of these bridges would be a good replacement for any Fender type bass (SX, MIM, Squier, Fender) Jazz or P bass. Hope this helps.

I just got done playing my basses with these bridges on them and I would say the Gotoh 201 is the best, then the "Deluxe Style" and last the fender type. I don't have anything with a Badass 2 right now but I liked it when I had it. I think the Gotoh 201 is as good as the Badass... but that's just me.

[madisqbu]

thank you for useful information.

[madisqbu]

I send email to guitarpartsdepot to ask about materials the bridge is made of. They replied...It is made of hardened steel and the saddles are made of brass.

Mhmnn??!!

[JGR]

Originally Posted by madisqbu

so, the material quality could be different. But how much can differ on brass/aluminium bridge from the other brass/aluminium bridge. Matter of taste. I dont mean that brass bridges are better than alu bridges, both have their +es and -es. But how big differences cam between brass and brass. Can the quality of brass/alu really vary that much, that it would affect sound. May the quality of a material vary at all, would it be the same material?

A lot actually. There are many factors to consider - machined vs. cast and the quality of either process the company uses, heat-treatment, plating quality, the alloy of the metals, etc. etc. all of which will most certainly affect the strength and durability of the bridge. Tone will be impacted by the weight of the design, density and hardness of the materials, and the machining/tolerances in terms of adjustability, rattles, etc, etc, etc.....

JR

[JGR]

Originally Posted by jondog

Please share your evidence of low quality materials in this particular bridge.

There are *many* ways products can be cheaper *without* using low quality metal, such as adopting a smaller profit margin, avoiding advertising, reducing overhead, manufacturing in countries with no labor or environmental laws, etc.

The evidence IS the price - you get what you pay for.

I have a couple of 201's and while they are decent, they are certainly not high-end by any means. They are a solid, cast bridge. As I said before, I would be quite hesitant to put this on anything but a budget bass... but hey, what do I know - maybe it's precision machined out of some super high quality metal and they just want to offer you the deal of the century... but my MBA and materials engineering degree tell me different...

JR

[jondog]

My point is that price is not evidence of material strength. Price is evidence of some marketing person's assessment of what the market will bear. Evidence of material strength would be something like a metallurgical analysis or personal experience comparisons.

Nobody is talking about putting this on an expensive bass, I'm looking into using it for my SX. Putting an $80 Badass on a $100 bass is a little silly to me and not in my budget, so I am interested in talking to people with firsthand experience using this $14 Gotoh copy.

[pkr2]

Originally Posted by jondog

My point is that price is not evidence of material strength. Price is evidence of some marketing person's assessment of what the market will bear. Evidence of material strength would be something like a metallurgical analysis or personal experience comparisons.

Nobody is talking about putting this on an expensive bass, I'm looking into using it for my SX. Putting an $80 Badass on a $100 bass is a little silly to me and not in my budget, so I am interested in talking to people with firsthand experience using this $14 Gotoh copy.

I have to agree with you, JD.

All one has to do is look around to realize that price and quality are totally independent of each other. Lots of things are overpriced, and a few things are underpriced.

Diamonds are a good example. Even an expert cant tell where a diamonnd is bought simply by examination. For a given grade of diamond, Costcos diamond is identical to the most expensive diamond sold.

Another good example is the SX bass. Clearly, a terrific bargain at a very low price. If I'd followed some of the advice that's been offered, I would have have missed the best buy I've ever made in a bass.

I say go for the bridge. If it's not up to your standards, either chunk it in the trash or or return it for a refund. The most you can lose is the shipping.

It sounds to me like a good deal for a replacement on a lower priced bass, and if you like yours, I'm ordering one for my SX.

[Philbiker]

That bridge looks fine to me. Looks somewhat similar to the one in my Peavey USA Millenium. I wouldn't hesitate to get that bridge if I were you.

[DJ Bebop]

Originally Posted by jondog

My point is that price is not evidence of material strength. Price is evidence of some marketing person's assessment of what the market will bear. Evidence of material strength would be something like a metallurgical analysis or personal experience comparisons.

Nobody is talking about putting this on an expensive bass, I'm looking into using it for my SX. Putting an $80 Badass on a $100 bass is a little silly to me and not in my budget, so I am interested in talking to people with firsthand experience using this $14 Gotoh copy.

I like the $14 copy on my SX, I like the $35 Gotoh on my 2 SXs.

[vintager]

that $14 copy looks very fine. and it's made from the same materials like original (which is chrome-plated steel (with obvious copper layer inbetween)) . i think there's no smarter upgrage for sx.

cheers,

mike