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Old 11-28-2008, 05:43 PM
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I've seen a few posts that say leaving your neck with 'improper relief' can cause permanent damage to the neck. Is it okay to have a perfectly straight neck, if that's what works best for me and will that cause permanent damage to the neck over time? The bass is a Fender Jazz.

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Old 11-28-2008, 07:21 PM
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I don't know...but, then again, I consider a perfectly straight neck to be "improper relief". Bump for a more insightful answer.

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Old 11-28-2008, 07:52 PM
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Within the realm of reasonability, there is no such thing as "improper relief". A correctly functioning neck/truss rod allows for the relief to be set wherever the player wishes.

That said, if one leaves said realm of reasonability (say one releases all tension from the rod while keeping the bass strung to pitch), bad things can indeed happen...
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Within the realm of reasonability, there is no such thing as "improper relief". A correctly functioning neck/truss rod allows for the relief to be set wherever the player wishes.

That said, if one leaves said realm of reasonability (say one releases all tension from the rod while keeping the bass strung to pitch), bad things can indeed happen...
Well said.
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:23 PM
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There is a physical reason for neck relief relative to the amplitude of the strings (though some don't like much or any) - Personally I use about a credit card thickness for clearance.

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Old 11-29-2008, 12:38 PM
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Within the realm of reasonability, there is no such thing as "improper relief". A correctly functioning neck/truss rod allows for the relief to be set wherever the player wishes.

That said, if one leaves said realm of reasonability (say one releases all tension from the rod while keeping the bass strung to pitch), bad things can indeed happen...
This is the scenario I'm talking about. After a time the head end of the neck will take a set, and remain warped. Then when you finally apply trussrod tension the heel of the neck will take the convex shape, while the head concaves.

Just last week I was working on a bass that has never been properly setup. While I was able to get it to play better than it had been playing. The lowest relief I could dialed in at max trussrod tension was about .017". This was with very light gauage rounds, 30-90. The neck showed a definate "S" shape along the length of the fretboard. It was a real shame because it was a nicely profiled neck.

I would say that letting a neck go for years with more than about .020" of relief will start to manifest some problems down the road. That is just my opinion, and individual neck dimensions, and profiles must be taken into account.

On my Geddy I recently had some 45-105 Roto flats strung up. Even though I had the relief set down to .012", the head end showed a noticeable bow in the last 4 frets. With lighter gauge rounds and the relief set to the same dimension the neck shows a more resonable relief pattern down the neck.

There just is not a lot of wood in the head end of the Geddy. The bass plays, and sounds great, but I would really like more wood in the neck. My Standard jazz has just a little bit thicker neck and does not exhibit these problems with higher tension strings.
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The bass (MIM Jazz) came brand new with an absolutely straight neck. It's strung with Fender 7150ML's (pure nickle), gauges 45 - 100. The guy at the shop lowered the saddles for me and it plays great. Has a maple neck with rosewood board, if that matters.
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