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Old 12-28-2009, 08:05 PM
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Installing threaded inserts (insert nuts) on a neck (long)

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The bass is an Epi EB-0 with stripped screw holes in the neck. I decided to install 10/32 threaded insert nuts from ACE Hardware to make it mount securely. There was very little room between the screw holes and the sides of the neck, but I thought I could make it work. Some of the ideas in this come from this thread at another forum: http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=5997.0

Here's the primary tool I used: a 1954 Shopsmith Mark V - which in its basic form is a table saw, disc sander, lathe and drill press. Some of you are familiar with it, others not. I needed the drill press function to drill holes for the insert nuts. The Shopsmith is basically a motor on a chassis and rails; the motor has drive shafts extending out each end, and accessories either mount on the shaft with one set screw, or use a PTO arrangement.

As you see it here, there's a bandsaw mounted on the left side and the disc sander is visible on the right side of the motor...I removed them for the next step.


With unused accessories removed, there's a lever to flip on the left end of the chassis, allowing me to tilt the entire motor and mounting rails up to vertical, where they lock in place. Here's the lever flipped up:


Here's the motor and rails in drill press position. The table which is the work surface for the table saw function swivels 90 degrees and becomes the working surface/support for the drill press. The 1/2" drive chuck for the drill press is sitting on the table - it connects to the power shaft with one set screw.


Here's the neck on the work table. It's in a machinist's vise with padded jaws. There's a level sitting on the neck mounting surface to help me assure that the neck is level up/down/left/right. On the left side of the table you see a block of lumber and a wedge between it and the neck. By sliding the wedge back and forth I was able to apply fine adjustments to leveling the neck down its length.


This hole is being drilled...

before drilling each hole, I re-positioned the neck and checked it for level in all directions.
Three out of four holes drilled....only the near hole on the left remaining.


Here's an insert sitting on a block of paraffin. It's a good idea to lube any screw or insert before intstalling it in wood - I like to keep a block of good old paraffin, same as used for canning. It was about 30 degrees in this shop even with a heater going, so the paraffin didn't stick to the insert very well.


These inserts used a hex key drive to install, so I chucked up a bit driver extension in the drill and inserted the appropriate bit. I didn't use the motor on the Shopsmith to install this - it would have been uncontrollable. I just grasped the chuck and turned it manually while using the drill press handle to apply slight downward pressure to force the nut to start.


Four inserts installed. The bottom right one chipped the finish visibly, and created a slight crack on the edge of the neck. However, given that this area is not visible when the bass is assembled, I can live with it.


The neck plate for the Epi required V-head screws, therefore I needed V-head bolts to mate with it. ACE had chrome-plated 10/32 machine bolts with hex-head drives, and at $2.70 each they weren't cheap but they were a great fit. I used 1.5 inch bolts and the length was perfect; if not, I would have cut them down to length. This is a a serious consideration because you can't drill into the neck very far past the depth needed to install the insert nut, and you cannot have the bolt stick through the nut and into the wood beneath the fretboard.


The final product - looks factory clean, and that neck is held in place more firmly than any wood screws could secure it.
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Nice job.

Several years ago I modded two J basses with inserts. I also prefer the inserts that use the hex drive for installation. I used torx bolts on both.

I wish I had my drill press when I did it though, I just used a manual drill and my mad skillz.
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After this experience, I realize that doing the process well is not trivial. If the screw holes are close to the edge of the neck, it's not hard to either cause a bulge or crack on the side of the neck. If these had been any closer, I would have plugged them with hardwood rather than using inserts.
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Nice. That's the sole remaining mod I've been meaning to complete on my SX project.
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Nice job. Though I am generally not a fan of all-in-one machines, I have to admit that the Shopsmith is probably the best of the lot and is capable of producing very good results...

... in the right hands of course.
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Good job. I did the same thing with my 78 P about 10 years ago. I used a little drill press accessory made to hold a hand held electric drill and also turned it by hand. I used the same technique on a couple of Musicman basses too. Those necks aren't going anywhere.
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I can do just about anything as far as repairs to my basses "IF" I see it done first by someone's instruction. I hope everyone realizes the time & effort involved in posting this info. This is easily the best and informative thread that I have read in a while. Thanks for sharing great pictures, which are icing on the cake.I have a Moses graphite neck that needs addressing now. Happy New Year Pilgrim!
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You're welcome, Pedulla. I got the idea from another thread I cited in my first post - and Turnaround was nice enough to suggest some fine touches, including chamfering (kind of like a very moderate countersink) the outer edges of the holes to reduce chipping, which I hadn't thought of. That would have produced a cleaner job! I hope this write-up helps others.

Yeah, I like my Shopsmith. Inheriting it is getting it the hard way - but I think dad would approve of some of the projects I've used it for. Figure this: I have the original receipt for that Shopsmith - my dad bought it at Carr Hardware in Ames, IA in 1954/ Cost including the optional rollers was $276. A new one today will cost you $3000. Used ones show up all the time, and for anyone who wants a highly versatile tool but has limited room, I recommend them. Shopsmith also has a website.
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Nice job.

Several years ago I modded two J basses with inserts. I also prefer the inserts that use the hex drive for installation. I used torx bolts on both.

I wish I had my drill press when I did it though, I just used a manual drill and my mad skillz.
Lack of a drill press is what prevents me from doing this on my mod projects...
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I think that if you had one of the stands that holds a hand drill to imitate a drill press, you could probably make it work. You'd definitely need some kind of clamps or a device like the machinist's vise I used to assure the neck is level and parallel to the drill bit.

Here's one example...might be overkill: http://www.amazon.com/Skil-45140-8-I.../dp/B0007KQY7G

This is more what I had in mind: http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4282979
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Nice thread, thanks for the photo documentary.
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I'm not sure what took me so long to see this, but I definitely wanted to comment. Thanks for the outstanding write-up. Great description, excellent photos, and the Shopsmith...what a great piece of history there! Of course, a great write-up has to have a greater level of craftsmanship behind it, and you obviously excel in that regard. Thanks for sharing this project.
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Thanks, Pilgrim! Do you have a link to where you got the inserts themselves? I want to use steel (vs. brass), and would like to use hex or torx machine screws as well.
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:36 AM
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I bought them at a good old ACE hardware store. I'm sure that any ACE with reasonable stock would have a couple of sizes. Based on their tendency to crack the wood where they're inserted, I'd use as small an insert as I felt I could get away with.

ACE also had the chrome-plated, V-head bolts that mated nicely to the Epi's neck plate. Note that length of the bolt is critical, as you don't want it too long and pushing into the fretboard.

Also - if I had used a slightly oversize bit to chamfer (remove a little finish around) the holes for the inserts, I wouldn't have cracked a chip off the finish as shown in the photos.
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I think that if you had one of the stands that holds a hand drill to imitate a drill press, you could probably make it work. You'd definitely need some kind of clamps or a device like the machinist's vise I used to assure the neck is level and parallel to the drill bit.

Here's one example...might be overkill: http://www.amazon.com/Skil-45140-8-I.../dp/B0007KQY7G

This is more what I had in mind: http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4282979
That's similar to what I use. Had it for 15 years now and does a decent job. But bench mounted drill presses are getting cheaper all the time and might be a better investment.

Mine served me well though and I've done several neck insert jobs with it.
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