Replacement tuners for Highway 1 P?

t3ch · #1 12-18-2009, 12:28 PM

Anyone replaced theirs? I can't seem to find exact measurements for them anywhere.

Mine is the version before the badass II bridge w/ the nitro finish.

I modified it to be a funk-machine/Jamerson tribute, but the heavy flats are giving the tuners a lot of trouble.

Willicious · #2 12-19-2009, 01:54 AM

are you looking to replace your existing tuners with another set of the same ones, or are you looking to upgrade?

if you're going for the true Jamerson vibe, get the Fender pre-CBS style reverse-wind tuners. you have a few options there ( weight, finish, smoothness of operation ). Gotoh makes no less than three different versions of this design.

t3ch · #3 12-22-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Willicious

are you looking to replace your existing tuners with another set of the same ones, or are you looking to upgrade?

if you're going for the true Jamerson vibe, get the Fender pre-CBS style reverse-wind tuners. you have a few options there ( weight, finish, smoothness of operation ). Gotoh makes no less than three different versions of this design.

I'd might as well upgrade if I'm going through this trouble. I was hoping to find some 28:1 gotoh's.

My main concern is that during my searches trying to figure out what size I need, several people indicated that the hwy-1's used an odd size tuner that wasn't standard like with other Fenders. I'm not sure how much truth is in such a statement.

Willicious · #4 12-22-2009, 10:51 AM

tuner hole diameter is a definite consideration.
don't know what your headstock is drilled for currently,
but the old-school reverse tuners need an 11/16" dia.
hole in the headstock. unless somebody chimes in,
you'd need to remove a tuner and bushing, and measure
to know for sure. if undersize, then drill/ream to 11/16
and install the new tuners. no big deal.

three grades of reverse-wind tuner—all made by Gotoh:
expensive: GB640L "Res-O-Lite" ( smooth turning, super light weight, adjustable torque/tightness setting ) )
mid grade: GB9 ( smooth operation, lighter than below tuners, adjustable torque/tightness setting )
econo: Fender stock reverse-wind (used on AV's, Classic 60s, etc. )

holler if you'd like sources ( i'm in the process of upgrading my fender reverse-winds to GB9s )

good luck

Widdershins · #5 12-22-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Willicious

tuner hole diameter is a definite consideration. don't know what your headstock is drilled for currently, but the old-school reverse tuners need an 11/16" dia.
hole in the headstock.

This is 100% correct. You'll need to change the hole diameter IF you want to use new bushings.

The ones that are there will accept the vintage style ones just fine however as the inside diameter is the same across the board.

Send nellie48 a PM

This is his recent project and he did a fantastic job!

What do you think of my first relic project?

Willicious · #6 12-22-2009, 12:29 PM

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so, the highway 1 headstocks come stock with 11/16" tuner holes?

were that the case, changing to reverse tuners would be a direct swap.

Widdershins · #7 12-22-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Willicious

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so, the highway 1 headstocks come stock with 11/16" tuner holes?

were that the case, changing to reverse tuners would be a direct swap.

I'm not sure what the headstock holes are, but the holes inside the bushings are the same. nellie48 would know!

t3ch · #8 12-28-2009, 12:03 PM

I shot Nellie a PM and he hasn't answered yet. Probably busy with the holidays; hopefully I'll hear back. You'd think finding information on a production bass wouldn't be so hard.

Willicious · #9 12-28-2009, 01:20 PM

if you're at all mechanically inclined, you can figure this out pretty easily for yourself.

just remove a tuner and bushing assembly from your headstock, and measure the inside diameter of the bore. inches, or millimeters. with that info, we can help you quickly.

JazzMarius · #10 12-29-2009, 03:02 AM

The odd sized tuners for fender cand be replaced (drop in) with hipshot HB7. Go check the hipshot site, they have Alot of measurments.

P.S: nice bass!! Smooth and hot!

t3ch · #11 01-04-2010, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Willicious

if you're at all mechanically inclined, you can figure this out pretty easily for yourself.

just remove a tuner and bushing assembly from your headstock, and measure the inside diameter of the bore. inches, or millimeters. with that info, we can help you quickly.

I always seem to strip a screw or 5 on tuners, so I was really trying to avoid doing this...

Luckily nellie shot me a helpful PM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzMarius

The odd sized tuners for fender cand be replaced (drop in) with hipshot HB7. Go check the hipshot site, they have Alot of measurments.

P.S: nice bass!! Smooth and hot!

Thank you

**Staccato** · #12 01-04-2010, 10:53 AM

What did nellie say about the hole size?

t3ch · #13 01-04-2010, 11:21 AM

removes the hot internets talk from the PM in preparation for general forum consumption...

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I got some Gotoh 70's style tuners off ebay. Other tuners will also work but the bushing size is the main difference. The peg head holes on the hwy one are a little smaller. Basically if you keep the HWY one bushings, you can use just about any tuner you want. With that said, if you dont use the bushings, you will need to file the wood a little, but not much. I was able to file down the inside of the holes on my neck using a curved file until the new bushings fit. Also, the tuners I got were slightly shorter across so the previous screw holes on the back of the neck were just barely peeking out from the edges of my new tuners. I think the bigger pre-CBS style Fender tuners will cover this up all the way, but then the G string tuner will be right on the edge of the headstock if not sticking out a little.

I don't know crap about hardware and wasn't aware you could just use the same bushings. Makes things easy.

portaflexer · #14 08-02-2010, 10:51 AM

I love TalkBass! I was just wondering if the Highway 1's used the same tuners as the MIMs. A quick search reveals this thread. Thanks guys.

If that's the case, the Hipshot HB-7's should be direct drop in.

Billy K · #15 08-02-2010, 04:40 PM

hum My Hwy 1 came with a Badass II bridge.I bought it last December 09.I don't think a cover (ashtray) will go over it.How come your 09 didnt come with Badass? I am curious really

portaflexer · #16 08-02-2010, 04:43 PM

The early Highway 1's didn't have the badass. I remember my buddy bought one shortly after they came out... a year or two later they added the BadAss bridge.

t3ch · #17 01-10-2011, 09:21 PM

Finally got around to doing this... Just to give a clear answer: the hipshot HB7's fit exactly. Bushings, screw-placement, etc. is all direct drop-in.

These are way better than stock, I'm glad I got them. I wouldn't have needed to upgrade if I didn't have the Jamerson heavy gauge strung up, but I do, and these tuners hold the E/A perfectly.

Here is a pic with 2 new, 2 stock.

DTF · #18 01-11-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by t3ch

Finally got around to doing this... Just to give a clear answer: the hipshot HB7's fit exactly. Bushings, screw-placement, etc. is all direct drop-in.

These are way better than stock, I'm glad I got them. I wouldn't have needed to upgrade if I didn't have the Jamerson heavy gauge strung up, but I do, and these tuners hold the E/A perfectly.

Here is a pic with 2 new, 2 stock.

looks good , I just replaced mine with gotoh res-o-lite 640's i can finally use any strings I want!!!!

markth30 · #19 01-12-2011, 09:38 AM

Is there any drawback to leaving the stock bushings in and replacing the other parts?

malpasso · #20 01-17-2011, 11:27 AM

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Is there any drawback to leaving the stock bushings in and replacing the other parts?

Also interested in this!