Reranch Vintage Cream

[blipndub]

I'm about to embark on a warmoth project and I'm considering using the Vintage Cream nitro finish from Guitar Reranch. I'm a little hesitant that it will be too dark for what I'm going for, which is kind of a yellowed white.

I'm wondering if anyone has pix of their Reranch Vintage Cream. I also have a can of Olympic white that's too white for my tastes so I'm wondering what an undercoat or overcoat with the VC would look like.

I'm also considering using a little ambe in the clear coat over the olympia white anyone have experience with that?

Thanks!

[blipndub]

Well, since no one replied I'll post pix of precision project in process with the Vintage Cream. it's really yellow. Not really the color I wanted but it's growing on me.

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[Stu L.]

Nice color. I've been thinking about embarking on a finishing job of my own. What kind of body is that? Wood type?

[blipndub]

It's a Warmoth alder. Cost me about $170. For alder it had very beautiful grain and I nearly gave it a clear finish, medium weight. I got it through the showcase at www.warmoth.com and I'm pretty sure it arrived with a little ding in the lower bout that I had to fill, no big deal, doesn't show up. But that's the diff between ordering new and in-stock, you save time (not money) and the piece is handled more.

I have a white pickguard for it, but a tortoise would look nice too i bet.

I also realized that the more coats of the vintage cream that goes on the darker it gets, but darker yellow really. I thought that a mix of Oly white and Vintage Cream would give me the color I wanted but I think if i sprayed a white coat of finish and then another yellow it would be brighter yellow. It's almost a TV White/yellow.

[blipndub]

Here's the Fender vintage white on a deluxe JB. It's not quite the same.

[Stu L.]

That color (in the second post) is what I think of when I think butterscotch. Now, I know that butterscotch is a different color, but thats the shade I think of. I like it, it's pretty much what I'm thinking of painting my P. Thanks for the info, looks good BTW.
-Stu

[blipndub]

take a look at the reranch butterscotch, i think the intention of that color is to be pretty transparent. The vintage cream is not as..what, amber as the butterscotch. I think for a tele the BS would be a good choice. I'm not sure what the Vintage Cream is trying to "say" is it an old colour - is it trying to look old? What was the yellowed colour it was supposed to be, Olympic White? It's weird. But what the hay. I'm not going to relic this thing, it's justgoing to be what it is.
This is more what I think of when I think of Butterscotch.

[Nick Ioannucci]

that tele is beautiful, wouldnt mind a jazz in that color.

[Stu L.]

Originally Posted by blipndub

This is more what I think of when I think of Butterscotch.

Yeah, I know it's more orange-y than I imagine, but the cream is just what crosses my mind
Great colors either way. If I may ask, what kind of expierence do you have painting basses? I'm learning my way around a spray gun currently.

[blipndub]

I worked at nashguitars for a spell and he's got a really great finishing set-up so I've done quite a few in a production capacity, but only about four or five at home.

Doing it in the garage is much more challenging that working with a booth and a real compressor. I realized yesterday that there's a little fruit fly bugger that seems to love whatever is in the nitro so I sanded out two bugs! Also the sanding is harder to do at home, my garage is a storage space, guitar making shop, recording studio all in one so it's a little cramped for all that activity.

[brandonwong]

These are recent pics of my 77 Jazz. Probably the kinda color you are looking for.





More pictures here
http://homepage.mac.com/brandonwong/PhotoAlbum29.html

[Stu L.]

Originally Posted by blipndub

Doing it in the garage is much more challenging that working with a booth and a real compressor. I realized yesterday that there's a little fruit fly bugger that seems to love whatever is in the nitro so I sanded out two bugs! Also the sanding is harder to do at home, my garage is a storage space, guitar making shop, recording studio all in one so it's a little cramped for all that activity.

Fruit fly? I have to deal with mosquitos, June bugs, wasps, and locusts

My father-in-law and I share a workshop at his house. It's a good sized shop, about 10'x20' or so. And it's detatched, so I can work late at night. I do set-ups and repairs, along with general carpentry things like tables, display cases, etc. I think it's only natural I start to do finishes.

[Giraffe]

I use an old upright cabinet as a combination paint locker/drying booth in my combination garage/workshop. The drying booth keeps the bugs off, and an exhaust fan and light bulb speed up the curing process tremendously.

When I use an opaque color like vintage cream I sometimes use an undercoat of "refridgerator white" or Olympic white. It seems to make the following color more brilliant. Once I get one honest coat of the final color on, I switch to clear coats, even if the surface isn't level yet. It seems to yield more depth in the finished product.

Another formula to try if you are searching for a particular tint of antique-looking white (or any other color) is to lay on a base coat, and follow with shaders consisting of clear lacquer with a few drops and yellow, brown, and a hint of red. Keep the shaders pale, and you can control the amount of yellow/amber tint in your final product by using more or less coats of the shader. In your case, you could try a base coat of Olynpic white, followed by a few very pale shaders in different ratios until you hit the color in your head. This is probably closer to the reality of a true vintage white, with a real white tinted by clear coats which became heavily yellowed over time. There are a million different butterscotches and vintage whites out there, determined by the amount of UV, nicotine, and other environmental hazards a bass was subjected to, so there is no right and wrong shade. Line up a dozen old blond, white, or natural nitro Fenders and they will look as different as people do, reflecting the kind of lives they've led!

StewMac just came out with a new edition of Guitar Finishing Step-By-Step. I consider this a must read for the beginner and I still re-read the thing every few years to remind me of the stuff I've forgotten. This book really covers the whole process beautifully, and it is aimed at the small shop guy.

[Stu L.]

Originally Posted by tombrien

I use an old upright cabinet as a combination paint locker/drying booth in my combination garage/workshop. The drying booth keeps the bugs off, and an exhaust fan and light bulb speed up the curing process tremendously.

When I use an opaque color like vintage cream I sometimes use an undercoat of "refridgerator white" or Olympic white...

StewMac just came out with a new edition of Guitar Finishing Step-By-Step. I consider this a must read for the beginner and I still re-read the thing every few years to remind me of the stuff I've forgotten. This book really covers the whole process beautifully, and it is aimed at the small shop guy.

1) Would a pic of the cabinet be possible? That seems like a good idea.

2) So you use the 'frig white as a bit of a primer?

3) I want that book. My wife is well aware of the griping to come if I don't own it by Christmas

[blipndub]

That is the color I'm aiming for. Heckuava nice bass there. Those stacked knobs aren't original, right?

Originally Posted by brandonwong

These are recent pics of my 77 Jazz. Probably the kinda color you are looking for.





More pictures here
http://homepage.mac.com/brandonwong/PhotoAlbum29.html

[brandonwong]

Yeah... its sweet old vintage eh?
They are J-Retro drop-ins.

[Giraffe]

I'll get some pictures of the drying cab up as soon as I get the shop straightened out. My girlfriend is out of town for seven weeks, so I am engaged in major projects, including clearing out the garage.

The cab came from a military surplus shop. It is a sheet metal box with dual hinged front doors. It is about six feet high, three and a half feet wide, and just under two feet deep. There is a shelf about 1/3 of the way up. The bottom serves as a paint and flammables locker. The top section has a dowel running from side to side at the top, and there are various hooks protruding from the back and sides to hang necks on as well. I installed a couple of cheap little exhaust fans, and sometimes I hang a light bulb or an aquarium heater in there to warm things up a bit. I remove the flammables before I apply heat.

Shoot a body or neck, hang it in the locker. I can fit four to six bodies and an equal number of necks in there at a time, which is as many as I like to shoot at once.

Using the white, silver, bronze, or gold is usually done as a color enhancer for solid colors, for me anyway. It can brighten up lighter colors, and give a metallic effect to light and dark colors. I seal with a clear sealer or thinned nitro because it is cheaper and arguably more stable than using a pigmented material to seal with.

The StewMac book is only $30 (item number 5095). If your wife cares about you at all, she will order it for you immediately. You might remind her that while you are reading the book, you are much less likely to get involved with a younger, prettier woman. You might also point out that time spent in the workshop is much safer than time spent robbing convenience stores or gas stations with a cheap handgun. Tell her you can't catch AIDS from reading a book, but if you have no book to read, you may get bored and go out and hire a prostitute. I have never tried these techniques myself, but they seem like they might work. Try them out, and then let us know how they worked out for you. Attach photos, if possible.

[Stu L.]

Originally Posted by tombrien

The StewMac book is only $30 (item number 5095). If your wife cares about you at all, she will order it for you immediately. You might remind her that while you are reading the book, you are much less likely to get involved with a younger, prettier woman. You might also point out that time spent in the workshop is much safer than time spent robbing convenience stores or gas stations with a cheap handgun. Tell her you can't catch AIDS from reading a book, but if you have no book to read, you may get bored and go out and hire a prostitute. I have never tried these techniques myself, but they seem like they might work. Try them out, and then let us know how they worked out for you. Attach photos, if possible.

Best post ever

And, at your convience, I would like to see a pic of that cabinet. I'm going to start hitting the junk and resale stores in the area to see what I can find. Essentially, it just has to be large enough to hang a body or neck in, right? For a smaller shop like me, a tabletop cabinet would probably work.

[blipndub]

A local repair guy has a table-top booth like you are describing, it's just a few feet in diamenter and can fit a body. I don't think it has a door that could close although I think that would be helpful to avoid dragging dust from the room over the wet finish. I like the idea of a military locker, I'll be on the lookout too, something that I could vent would be nice. The rattle cans don't overspray too muc, but a compressor with a guy can make a real mess. My daugter's bike has a fine mist of dakota red from my last project!

I'm about to start clear coating the vintage cream. I'm using Behlan string lacquer which I've used before even though it's meant for acoustic instruments, with enough layers it's good and tough.

[honeyculture]

if you wanted that aged white fender look you should have used olympic white with the tinted clearcoat. it will make it look 20 years older. but that color is nice , i did a strat , but it was too yngwie for me.