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Old 07-05-2011, 01:33 PM
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This is about a common issue in Fender style instruments.
Some necks develop an uneven hump around the 4th resulting in a s shaped fingerboard surface.
In such situation is very difficult get a good action.

I have an 80´Squire jazz with this problem

Time ago heard about a method involving the use of an iron, or some extreme heat to reset the neck shape.
Tried to use the search function but no result...

Any comment, useful link, etc

Thanks!
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Old 07-05-2011, 09:09 PM
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This is about a common issue in Fender style instruments.
Some necks develop an uneven hump around the 4th resulting in a s shaped fingerboard surface.
In such situation is very difficult get a good action.

I have an 80´Squire jazz with this problem

Time ago heard about a method involving the use of an iron, or some extreme heat to reset the neck shape.
Tried to use the search function but no result...

Any comment, useful link, etc

Thanks!

You can use an iron to take the curl out of your hair too. But just like wood, the result is rarely permanent.
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Old 07-06-2011, 02:36 AM
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You can use an iron to take the curl out of your hair too. But just like wood, the result is rarely permanent.
Well, as far as I know violin, and guitar makers bend the sides of instruments with moisture and heat, getting permanent result.

So why not use heat and clamps on warped-backbowed portion of neck?
Anyone has tried?
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Well, as far as I know violin, and guitar makers bend the sides of instruments with moisture and heat, getting permanent result.

So why not use heat and clamps on warped-backbowed portion of neck?
Anyone has tried?


The violin, and guitar makers bend the sides of instruments
with moisture and heat, getting permanent result because
the hide glue melts and it is re-glued.

A curl in a neck is a curl in a solid hunk of wood.

If you want a permanent fix;

Take all the frets off. Adjust truss rod so that neck is flat as
possible. If the twist or hump is not too bad, you can then
just cut out the hump or rise where the twist is. Make it
flat and uniform all the way down.

Re-set the frets, if your are real good. Or re-fret. Then dress
the frets.

If done right and the neck is set and no longer will twist or
warp, then it is good to go for the long run.

I did a guitar that way 30 years ago and it is still true,

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Old 07-06-2011, 08:23 AM
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The violin, and guitar makers bend the sides of instruments
with moisture and heat, getting permanent result because
the hide glue melts and it is re-glued.
Not entirely correct. The wood is bent with moisture and heat and is then glued to the blocks and clamped. The bending does not cause any hide glue to melt as there is no glue there yet.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:19 AM
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I don't think this is a simple neck warp. I may be wrong, but here's my reasoning....

Memory may be failing me, but I don't recall Fender necks developing a hump around the 4th fret. The most common problem I've heard of is a "ski jump" in some older basses that happens on the higher frets near the body.

This sounds to me like something that might be related to a truss rod problem - which may result in the need to pull the fretboard and re-seat or repair the truss rod. Might be worth having a repair expert look at it.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:21 AM
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Bottom line is how much do you want to put into it. There are people who can true a neck that was poorly made: no problem.
Yet you can buy a new, quality neck and be done with it for possibly less. If you are not in love with "Squire" on the head piece - then do what's expedient.

Frankly for a Bass of that price level personally I would simply buy another neck.
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^ Best idea yet.
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I have an 80´Squire jazz
There is no such thing as a 1980 Squier Jazz.
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Old 07-06-2011, 02:02 PM
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Thanks for responding

Made some research and found this:
Fender® Forums • View topic - 1975 Precision bass neck problem

The bass is my first bass so has some value to me, I removed the frets five years ago and finished with polyester resin. And yes the hump was already there.

About me, I have built one bass:
First build in progress
And currently building another two.
I started to adjust basses, for me and friends ten years ago, and can tell you this is not a truss problem
I got radius sanding block and measure tools, truing a neck doesnt look so hard specially considering there is several thick coats of polyester.

But the article tells about clamping and apply heat.
Is posible bend wood with permanent results, Ive worked for six months in a classical guitar shop and I have seen bent sides that have been stored for 10 years without loosing its shape... believe or not


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There is no such thing as a 1980 Squier Jazz.
I wanted to say 83-84
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