*LIFE CHANGING MP3 HERE*Jamerson tracks isolated..what a TONE!...foam or palm muting?

[quadrogong]

just found this online..

TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, CLEAN AS A WHISTLE,ISOLATED BASS TRACKS!..
LISTEN TO THAT TONE!..
was that his right hand muting technique or was he using the foam under the bridge?

http://www.ricksuchow.com/music-group-111.html

wow.listen to the clarity of "let's get it on" that one sounds like it was played with a pick,actually..

some of it's real dirty and distorted,not as smoooth as it seems in the final mix, this just rules.


also some jaco stuff that's mindblowing..
http://www.ricksuchow.com/music-group-94.html

version of Donna Lee with Jaco,Miles davis,Charlie Parker,..if u havn't heard this one..! whew!...
http://www.ricksuchow.com/audio/RICK...onna_Lee-2.m3u

[Manol]

This has been around in the bassists or recording forum for a while.

To be honest I didn't think of his once solo'ed to be anything that special at all. You can hear the bass farting out at the lower frequencies and it doesnt sound any different from any other P-bass with a mute on and with flatrounds on.

It's how it sat in the mix which really counted .

And the other thing is that you can tell he is human after all especially as you can hear a bit of fretbuzz and other little things every now again in the tracks.

[subsonic87]

Um, "Let's Get It On" is not Jamerson. It's listed as Wilton Felder, another Motown bassist.

[quadrogong]

you guys just both took the words out of my mouth..
I was pleased to hear the distortion and fret buzz too..and thought the exact thing, "he's human.."

and yes, that one track sounded very different,
few "james-isms", i sensed a pick, and different attack,different approach than James.. that clears it up.

I'd never heard these before.

and good point about sitting in the mix,The stuff sounds sooo smooth and sweet mixed, but soloed, it sounds rough and pretty aggressive, he's just pounding it out, not too concerned with a soft touch or trying to be smooth.

This has always been my favorite bass stuff,My style always reflected alot of his influence..that stuff's really glued into my subconscious,
sure, it's not the tone of a "virtuoso" or very clean or sweet.. but that muted sound always gets to me, I love it!

[Debased]

I'm a big Jamerson fan, but I've always felt that his tone sounded like a dull, flabby, tuneless fart, and these mp3s make that painfully obvious. It's kinda sad that such a brilliant player didn't have a decent, properly setup instrument.

[pickles]

On I'll be there, theres basically a bass solo in the turnaround on the original, and I don't recall hearing that distortion.

[papajune]

brilliant, i love the jamerson stuff, i just got a p bass so i could sound a little more like him actually.

that aint jaco miles and parker though, at least not recorded together, and the trumpet doesnt sound like miles to me anyway.

[papajune]

ok cool it is a mix, i just read the little title description. guess my laptop speakers cant get that miles cool like ither speakers can.

excellent post though, these isso's of jamerson will come in handy.

[mrcircle]

Originally Posted by subsonic87

Um, "Let's Get It On" is not Jamerson. It's listed as Wilton Felder, another Motown bassist.

It's worth noting that Wilton Felder was best known as a sax player, most notably with the Crusaders (which he founded with high school friends Joe Sample, Wayne Henderson and Stix Hooper). He was also a great LA studio bassist who contributed to numerous R&B, jazz & soul recordings over the years.

[silky smoove]

Originally Posted by Debased

It's kinda sad that such a brilliant player didn't have a decent, properly setup instrument.

From everything I've read Jamerson PREFERRED to have his bass setup in such a way. By way of "standards" his bass would probably seem unplayable to most people. That being said, maybe he would have played worse on a bass with low action and fresh strings... its impossible to know. To me part of his mojo was his crusty old P-Bass.

[Eric Perry]

At work = crappy speakers.

BUT, I am now subscribed and will be checking them out later on my home system. Thanks for the links!

[One Drop]

Originally Posted by Debased

I'm a big Jamerson fan, but I've always felt that his tone sounded like a dull, flabby, tuneless fart, and these mp3s make that painfully obvious. It's kinda sad that such a brilliant player didn't have a decent, properly setup instrument.

A big part of his sound resulted from his high action and very strong right hand. His tone is godlike to my ears and these recordings prove he understood how his tone related to the recording equipment of the day and to the other instruments in the mix. I've heard his bass on the SITSOM deluxe CD on remixed instrumental versions of Motown songs, really nicely remastered, and his tone his huge, slightly overdriven and completely transparent at the same time.

[Disc]

I got something pretty close to the sound, but its a pain in the ass to play that way.

On a P bass, turn the tone knob almost all the way down, so that their is very little hum left (as opposed to none). Now palm mute at the very, very end of the strings, right before the bridge as that you still get some sustain of the note. Finally, play with your thumb.

Donno if thats how he did it but I think its pretty close.

[xparis001]

90% sure that jaco/miles thing is a mashup of the studio jaco song cut up with the live miles track.

[bassman10096]

Nice find. I've spent a lot of time untangling JJ's bass from phantom kick beats and all else on the records. Definitely cool to know for certain all that he played.

and good point about sitting in the mix,The stuff sounds sooo smooth and sweet mixed, but soloed, it sounds rough and pretty aggressive, he's just pounding it out, not too concerned with a soft touch or trying to be smooth.

+1 I don't know how much they processed or were able to process his sound to smooth it in the studio. What I think is evident is how nicely a somewhat overdriven, honky-sounding bass line can sit in the right mix. Ever wonder why Motown is hard to nail? Listen to your own part + your bandmates' + how tightly they relate to each other. The Funk Bros had all that going on the hits...

[Osprey]

Thanks for the post , Quad. I'm not cool enough to have spotted the MP3s before. and I don't read well enough to use the SITSOM transcriptions easily. I do know it's the Hook and a rubber mute though. So I can learn a lot from these tracks, and what a treat to hear the great man "in person".

[PastorofMuppets]

I am having trouble getting these files to play
they come through as M3U files
what gives

[joelb79]

M3U is a playlist file.

try Winamp.

also, if you open the m3u with a text editor or notepad, you can copy/paste the file location and download them.

[Fretless5verfan]

Originally Posted by mrcircle

It's worth noting that Wilton Felder was best known as a sax player, most notably with the Crusaders (which he founded with high school friends Joe Sample, Wayne Henderson and Stix Hooper). He was also a great LA studio bassist who contributed to numerous R&B, jazz & soul recordings over the years.

Also a relative of mine

[evan_phi]

cool stuff. tone is awesome, and i love the 'realness' that you can hear on soloed parts.