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Old 05-25-2009, 12:09 PM
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10 hours of studio/mixing time for $500?

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Would it be reasonable for a 6 piece rock band to record and mix a 6 song EP in 10 hours? We're looking to record our EP and we have two choices, spend $500 for 10 hours of studio/mixing time or $2,000 for the same amount of studio time but more mixing time(and supposedly a more professional studio will be doing it.)

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Old 05-25-2009, 12:33 PM
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First off, that's a pretty big leap in price. If I understand you correctly, $500 gets you a whole session from walk in to finished product, and $2000 gets you 10 hours tracking w/ $1500 worth of mixing? Doesn't quite compute to me somehow. That said, here's what I think:
Rehearse to get everything right, then keep rehearsing til you can't get it wrong; you might then have a shot at the shorter time. Assume an hour, at least for setup IF the studio is really efficient AND they have drums set up and miked when you walk in. IF you can lay down six songs in two hours of live, all-at-the-same-time tracking, you're doing great. Overdubs? Try not to need them. Fixes? Depends on how good your tracks are and that comes right back to my first sentence.
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:42 PM
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$500 for 10 hours of studio time is decent, not the greatest deal, but decent.

Mixing takes a lot of time if you want a great record.

For comparison, our last full length took 6 days to record, for about $600. It took 3 months to mix at over $2000. It was well worth it and the quality is absolutely top notch.
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6 songs fully recorded (as "recorded, clams fixed & overdubbed parts done) in 10 hours is pretty tall order, especially for the added instrumentation of a six-piece band - as already posted, the best you could hope for it to practice practice practice the six songs until *every* member of the band can get through them without any mistakes so that you'll be able to get "1-Take Keepers" on all the tracks. That's a pretty tall order, considering that Getting Sounds is usually at least one hour (and being a six-piece makes that a longer period) and that's without vocals, which takes the longest period out of any other member.

To be able to track all 6 songs and mix them in 10 hours is IMO impossible. The best you'll get in that situation is a good performance and crappy mix. Again, the fact that you're a six-piece band makes this a harder, longer job to do - each additional instrument brings yet another factor into mixing (i.e. where does it "fit" in the mix, what frequencies do you take from all the other instruments to make it work, etc...)

To give you a Real World example, I was hired to play on a "band of friend''s" 6-track EP/Promo CD (as they were all friends, I lowered my rate a good deal for them as it was a fairly low-budget project). We were able to get keeper Drums, Percussion tracks, and Bass tracks with very minimal fixes (perhaps 2 clams per song, and a pretty intense "punch in half the recording" song that was thrown to me by the band only one day before recording in a style that was not one I was "fluent" in) in about 10 hours, the same that you're taking about. However, nothing but scratch tracks of guitars (2-to-3 players per track, plus acoustics which take far more time to mic properly), a small amount of keyboard tracks, and lead and backing vocals were done at that time. All those took an entirely separate session to record. This doesn't even come close to mixing, which in my experience even as a demo/EP or low budget project can take about 2 hours per song, or 12 hours for your project. That's the standard "Initial mix - burn CD, take it out to a car and judge it from a small speaker area (remember how much music is listened to while in cars and that you *need* your mix to work both on high-performance audio systems as well as a stock car stereo), back inside to "remix" based on testing, rinse & repeat a number of times for each song... and that after a certain point EVERYONE will get "Ear Fatigue" and any mixing after that point is a waste of time and money.

In my "been there, done that a number of times and even professionally for a while" opinion, I honestly doubt that what you're considering (a Six-piece Recording and Mixing 6 songs in 10 hours... and you haven't even hit Mastering, which is the sequencing of all tracks, optimizing overall compression, limiting, equalization, and volume levels for each track - basically, putting a big bow on your songs and making all the tracks sound like an album/EP/"project" and not six separate tracks) can be done and that you need more of both recording as well as mixing/mastering time. Back in my Original Band days, we did two 5-6 song demos (although with the amount of effort & money we put into them we should have gone the full nine yards financially and had them pressed as EPs to sell) and even with two members that had been playing/recording on the club-level for 8 years and had a large amount of experience, we still went over budget simply because there are *so many* "little things" that will come to bite you on your tokhes. Having those members probably saved us from from going over budget small-time as opposed to big. Whether it's as promotional material (for a Press Pack to try and land a Label Deal) or as "Product" to sell at shows or online, it's really not worth spending either the $500 or $2000 you discuss if a) you end up needing more time and pay the studio's "overage" charges (typically in studio "packages" like how this sounds, any time over is billed at their "normal" rate), or b) you're somehow able to squeeze all of what's needed in, and it sounds like professionally recorded carp.

As an example of a professional studio's (I'll leave their name out, but they've recorded numerous major-label bands/artists and Gold/Platinum-level releases) "5 Song Demo CD Package" which I believe is representative of most studios out there and contains:
  • Up to 15 hours for recording and editing
  • Up to 5 hours for mixing and mastering your 5 song demo
  • 1 cd copy for each band member (up to 5)
  • Price: $1000. Additional hours will be billed at $50 each
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500 vs 2000 is going to have a huge difference in sound because more time can be spent on editing and mixing...and believe me, the editing and mixing is what takes the longest.

Six songs completely done in 10hrs is going to sound very rushed, and probably alot of details being skipped. Heck, just the drummer setup and miking will probably burn up two of those hours.
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Old 05-28-2009, 05:48 PM
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We chose to go all out and spend the $2,000. If it is a great product that we are happy with and that we are able to sell to fans then I think it's worth it. Thanks for some wonderful replies that gave great insight into real world situations.
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to the op:
no.
sure, you could do it, but at the cost of the quality of the music.
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