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10-12-2009, 08:49 PM
| | Fueled by chocolate | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada | | Sandals were a little bit more "electronic" sounding than most of what was classified as "acid jazz" in the early 1990s, but they were still part of that scene. Their only full-length album "Rite To Silence" is an underrated gem. One of the singles from that album was "Feet": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwzJmQqxkIA
And, of course, the song that got Jay Kay an eight album deal with Sony: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGgc5jEFoCs
This is something of a mix between the album version and the original demo.
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11-03-2009, 07:41 PM
| | Fueled by chocolate | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada | | Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticMichael  | Really? I wouldn't place any of those artists in the "acid jazz" bag. The labels that most defined "acid jazz" for most were probably "Acid Jazz" and "Talkin' Loud". That being said, the term "acid jazz" was bandied about quite a bit and was probably not very clearly defined. The original scene, however, was from what I gather a reaction to the electronic music that was so popular in late 1980s Britain. The term "retro" was often linked to artists in the acid jazz scene and a lot of the followers were coming out of the UK Northern Soul and rare groove "tradition". |
11-03-2009, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bass12 Really? I wouldn't place any of those artists in the "acid jazz" bag. | So how would you classify them? Electronica? Ambient? Trance?
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11-04-2009, 09:06 AM
| | Fueled by chocolate | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada | | Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticMichael So how would you classify them? Electronica? Ambient? Trance?
MM | I probably wouldn't bother. Firstly, I can't stand the term "electronica". I mean, it's really just a term concocted by the industry twenty-odd years after the fact (if you don't include the electronic music being made prior to the 1980s) to sell anything from Madonna to Aphex Twin. The Orb is definitely coming from the ambient or "chill out" techno side - which was largely a reaction to the more hyper forms of house that were popular in the late 1980s. Fila Brazilia is all over the place on some of their records, but they've clearly been influenced by techno, "trip hop" and, yes, jazz. There have been so many genres and sub genres in techno, house, and hip-hop derived music forms that it becomes almost impossible to effectively label them. Massive Attack came along and introduced their laid back reggae/soul/hip-hop inspired aesthetic and people labelled it "trip-hop". That label was then applied to Portishead and Morcheeba - two groups that really don't have much to do with hip-hop in my opinion. So yes, it gets tricky (no trip-hop pun intended). With acid jazz, it started as a term derived from a record label (Acid Jazz) that favoured "retro"-style soul, funk and jazz-funk. Once retailers got hold of the term, that was it - suddenly anything remotely funky that was otherwise difficult to categorise was lumped together in the unfortunate "acid jazz" section of the store. Soon enough, "acid jazz" became just a vague catch-all category like "worldbeat". So in a way, you're not wrong in your categorisation. When I refer to "acid jazz", however, I'm referring to the late 1980s, early 1990s scene in England and not to the section of my local HMV. 
Weren't you going to be moving to London? There will be tons of people there who will be able to give you a much more in-depth account of what I'm referring to.
Edit: I went into HMV a few months back and noticed that they'd done away with their "acid jazz" section. They now have a "downtempo" section where much of the old "acid jazz" stuff currently resides. 
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11-04-2009, 09:27 AM
| | Hip No Ties | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, NY | | Quote:
Originally Posted by bass12 So yes, it gets tricky (no trip-hop pun intended). With acid jazz, it started as a term derived from a record label (Acid Jazz) that favoured "retro"-style soul, funk and jazz-funk. Once retailers got hold of the term, that was it - suddenly anything remotely funky that was otherwise difficult to categorise was lumped together in the unfortunate "acid jazz" section of the store. Soon enough, "acid jazz" became just a vague catch-all category like "worldbeat". So in a way, you're not wrong in your categorisation. When I refer to "acid jazz", however, I'm referring to the late 1980s, early 1990s scene in England and not to the section of my local HMV. | Right. Yet another one of those industry-derived terms that's morphed away from its original denotation (i.e. "progressive rock" once referred to an aesthetic philosophy of music - not a specific sound; and what is "alternative rock" an alternative to anymore?)  Quote:
Originally Posted by bass12 Weren't you going to be moving to London? There will be tons of people there who will be able to give you a much more in-depth account of what I'm referring to. | Good eye. I will indeed be relocating to London - one major reason why these distinctions matter to me, as I perceive the scene there will be much more conducive to my particular musical ambitions (contemporary neo-psychedelic rock, ambient/electronic/groove/trance material, etc.  ) than is the scene here in New York, which is much more straightahead jazz oriented...
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11-04-2009, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MysticMichael Good eye. I will indeed be relocating to London - one major reason why these distinctions matter to me, as I perceive the scene there will be much more conducive to my particular musical ambitions (contemporary neo-psychedelic rock, ambient/electronic/groove/trance material, etc. ) than is the scene here in New York, which is much more straightahead jazz oriented...
MM | I've always gravitated towards the stuff coming out of Britain. There just seems to be an openness and enthusiasm where different styles are concerned (well, at least the styles that interest me). Part of my love for a lot of British stuff comes from the Jamaican connection, but I've also been a huge fan of a lot of the pop that came out of England in the 1980s. I'm still a bit of a Trevor Horn/ZTT devotee, as a matter of fact... |
11-04-2009, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bass12 I've always gravitated towards the stuff coming out of Britain. There just seems to be an openness and enthusiasm where different styles are concerned (well, at least the styles that interest me). Part of my love for a lot of British stuff comes from the Jamaican connection, but I've also been a huge fan of a lot of the pop that came out of England in the 1980s. I'm still a bit of a Trevor Horn/ZTT devotee, as a matter of fact... | Same here - although I'm probably older than you, as my memory goes back to the days of the British Invasion bands of the mid-60s. Ever since, I've always had a preference for the Brit rock & pop over its American counterpart happening at the same moment. The British material was just consistently more artfully, cleverly, imaginatively conceived, IME...
Interestingly, as I've been researching postgraduate music programs during the past few months, I've found a whole load of them - a dozen or more - right in the London metro area. Far more than exist in the New York metro area.
Even more interestingly, from a qualitative standpoint, the programs in London appear to be significantly more contemporary, flexible...and open (as you say) to many influences, i.e. electronic music is considered mainstream, unlike in the US where it's still put in the "experimental" periphery. By contrast, most music programs in the US seem to follow the traditional conservatory model - just the opposite of what one might expect...
I can't wait! 
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11-04-2009, 11:21 AM
| | Fueled by chocolate | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada | | Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticMichael Same here - although I'm probably older than you, as my memory goes back to the days of the British Invasion bands of the mid-60s. Ever since, I've always had a preference for the Brit rock & pop over its American counterpart happening at the same moment. The British material was just consistently more artfully, cleverly, imaginatively conceived, IME...
Interestingly, as I've been researching postgraduate music programs during the past few months, I've found a whole load of them - a dozen or more - right in the London metro area. Far more than exist in the New York metro area.
Even more interestingly, from a qualitative standpoint, the programs in London appear to be significantly more contemporary, flexible...and open (as you say) to many influences, i.e. electronic music is considered mainstream, unlike in the US where it's still put in the "experimental" periphery. By contrast, most music programs in the US seem to follow the traditional conservatory model - just the opposite of what one might expect...
I can't wait!
MM | You're absolutely right concerning the place of popular music in British academia. Try studying pop in North America in a music department (as opposed to a cultural studies department). I too have been considering pursuing post-graduate studies in music (popular music) and it's slim pickings on this side of the pond. I was fortunate enough to have a very open-minded British professor as my masters research director - a guy who has spent his professional life pushing for the advancement of popular music studies within academia. Needless to say, he's a frustrated man... |
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11-04-2009, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticMichael | No. Electronica, Trance or Ambient maybe. |
11-04-2009, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticMichael So how would you classify them? Electronica? Ambient? Trance?
MM | Duh! I guess I missed this. See my post above. |
11-04-2009, 06:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Whitmoretucky MI | | | Man I'm digging these tracks...minus the techno. Electronic elements makes it electronica not jazz, just my .02. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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