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06-22-2010, 09:37 PM
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What style of music are his solo albums?
Love the stuff, just don't know what to call it. 
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06-23-2010, 12:56 AM
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06-23-2010, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Ebennetts  Fusion/alternative? | What exactly is fusion? And alternative what?
I seem to get conflicting info on what all this stuff means. *sigh*
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06-23-2010, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowtonejoe What exactly is fusion? And alternative what?
I seem to get conflicting info on what all this stuff means. *sigh*
Joe. | Most would call Holdsworth 'fusion', which to most means 'jazz improvisation combined with rock instruments, volume, tone and attitude'.
Amazing stuff, if a bit hard to listen to for extended periods The good news is that the wonderful Jimmy Johnson is on many of the recordings.... one of the great electric bassists of all time. Just think... he NAILS the Holdsworth stuff AND the James Taylor stuff. That is covering a lot of styles and material! |
06-23-2010, 12:54 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada | | | I would call Alan Holdsworth's music 'jazz fusion'. 'Fusion' is a nebulous term that seems to be used whenever two or more musical styles are blended together (with varying degrees of success). Jazz fusion started as a blend of jazz harmonies with rock and funk rhythms. The style has definitely evolved and expanded since then, but I think it's still safe to refer to it as 'jazz fusion'. |
06-23-2010, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Stereo Joe I would call Alan Holdsworth's music 'jazz fusion'. 'Fusion' is a nebulous term that seems to be used whenever two or more musical styles are blended together (with varying degrees of success). Jazz fusion started as a blend of jazz harmonies with rock and funk rhythms. The style has definitely evolved and expanded since then, but I think it's still safe to refer to it as 'jazz fusion'. | Makes sense. As one who came of musical age in the early to mid 70's 'Fusion' means 'jazz fusion', but you are right, that term has expanded a bit. |
06-23-2010, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Dean I remember seeing Jean-Luc Ponty in the mid-70s. His band included: Allan Holdsworth, Daryl Stuermer, and Anthony Jackson.
That was quite a show!  | I think you saw Ralphe Armstrong, I don't think AJ ever played with JLP. |
06-23-2010, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bassbrad I think you saw Ralphe Armstrong, I don't think AJ ever played with JLP. | +1 Most probably Ralphe. Ralphe has been playing DB with a little local Jazz quartet down the street from my house in Detroit. My god, he is just something! I remember Daryl on guitar (before he went with the Phil Collins thing), but don't remember Holdsworth with Jean Luc. |
06-23-2010, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KJung Most would call Holdsworth 'fusion', which to most means 'jazz improvisation combined with rock instruments, volume, tone and attitude'.
Amazing stuff, if a bit hard to listen to for extended periods The good news is that the wonderful Jimmy Johnson is on many of the recordings.... one of the great electric bassists of all time. Just think... he NAILS the Holdsworth stuff AND the James Taylor stuff. That is covering a lot of styles and material! | Thanks everyone for clearing that up. Now it makes sense to me. Quantification can be a wonderful thing.
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06-23-2010, 02:59 PM
|  | Registered User | | | | | I would also call Alan Holdsworth's music fusion. If you like Holdsworth, check out Bill Connors. Bill's music sounds just like Holdsworth, only slower and easier to play (if you are a guitar player). Bill's bass player (at least on some of his albums) was Tom Kennedy - he is a monster!!
One of my best concerts was Alan Holdsworth being the warmup band for the Steve Morse Band. Alan's bass player was Jeff Berlin!!
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06-23-2010, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumeni Notes I would also call Alan Holdsworth's music fusion. If you like Holdsworth, check out Bill Connors. Bill's music sounds just like Holdsworth, only slower and easier to play (if you are a guitar player). Bill's bass player (at least on some of his albums) was Tom Kennedy - he is a monster!!
One of my best concerts was Alan Holdsworth being the warmup band for the Steve Morse Band. Alan's bass player was Jeff Berlin!! | Cool!
Alan, Jeff and Bill Bruford have made some fantastic music together as a trio.
Do you know who was drumming?
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06-23-2010, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lowtonejoe Cool!
Alan, Jeff and Bill Bruford have made some fantastic music together as a trio.
Do you know who was drumming?
Joe. | Well, the band Bruford was a 4 piece at the time (keyboards too). Get the CD "One of a Kind". The intro to 5G was really something when it first came out. |
06-23-2010, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KJung +1 Most probably Ralphe. Ralphe has been playing DB with a little local Jazz quartet down the street from my house in Detroit. My god, he is just something! I remember Daryl on guitar (before he went with the Phil Collins thing), but don't remember Holdsworth with Jean Luc. | One of my favorite Ponty albums is Enigmatic Ocean with a killer band that included Holdsworth, Armstrong and Steve Smith. Holdsworth's legato guitar work was a nice pairing with Ponty's violin. You probably just forgot about that one Ken.
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06-23-2010, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KJung +1 Most probably Ralphe. Ralphe has been playing DB with a little local Jazz quartet down the street from my house in Detroit. My god, he is just something! I remember Daryl on guitar (before he went with the Phil Collins thing), but don't remember Holdsworth with Jean Luc. | Holdsworth with Ponty was almost to much of a good thing. Their tones were very similar and at times it was hard to tell them apart.
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06-24-2010, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Lowtonejoe Cool!
Alan, Jeff and Bill Bruford have made some fantastic music together as a trio.
Do you know who was drumming?
Joe. | Bruford & Berlin were fine...however, Chad Wackerman w/ Holdsworth & Jimmy J took it up a notch.
Check out these two Wackerman releases- Forty Reasons The View
...both with Holdsworth & Johnson. Both sound like they coulda been a Holdsworth release.
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06-24-2010, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Tumeni Notes If you like Holdsworth, check out Bill Connors. Bill's music sounds just like Holdsworth, only slower and easier to play (if you are a guitar player). Bill's bass player (at least on some of his albums) was Tom Kennedy - he is a monster!! | Agree. Assembler, Step It, & Double Up are the 3 I'm thinking of...Kim Planfield & Weckl were paired with Kennedy on these albums, IIRC.
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06-24-2010, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JimK Agree. Assembler, Step It, & Double Up are the 3 I'm thinking of...Kim Planfield & Weckl were paired with Kennedy on these albums, IIRC. | Man, those bring back memories. I find them sounding completely dated and cheezy at this point though. The production, with all the reverb, etc., is just brutal 
However, Bill Connors' somewhat recent stuff (like the wonderful 'Return' CD with Lincoln Goines) is pretty smokin'. |
10-15-2010, 08:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Colorado | | | Have to say Assembler- B Connors, blew me away!
Sure the tone and some style is like AH
but he definitely sustains a whole lot of feeling in his "slow" playing.
Been listening, seeing and even opened up a few times for AH group for years since he came on the scene in the 70's
His stuff with JLP is top notch and Ponty is hard ( demanding) to work with.
Both guitarists seem to reside in the Fusion realm but for sure are not stuck in the repeat mode ! |
10-15-2010, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumeni Notes One of my best concerts was Alan Holdsworth being the warmup band for the Steve Morse Band. Alan's bass player was Jeff Berlin!! | WOW! What a double bill!!
and....R.I.P. T. Lavitz.
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10-16-2010, 01:27 PM
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