Bands that Steal other people's ''grooves'' !?

[TheButler]

This is sorta based from my kraftwerk thread, but this time i'm going to make it more broad. What bands 'steal' other peoples songs and what songs are they ?

[TribalEagle]

Red Hot Chilipeppers - Dani California has basically same main riff and intro than one Tom Petty`s song.. (can`t remember the title..)
It`s not stealing but came first in mind (maybe becoase I`m playing dani california just now... )

[i_got_a_mohawk]

You have to think of how many bands are out there, and how many original songs there are out there, trying to come up with something totally unique is verging on impossible really.

[Muusers]

its deffinately not impossible to come up with your own licks, grooves and chords. people who 'steal' other people's songs are in general out of inspiration.

[peaveyuser]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

You have to think of how many bands are out there, and how many original songs there are out there, trying to come up with something totally unique is verging on impossible really.

That's total BS, there will always be something different out there to produce.

[TehRoflCopter]

Led Zeppelin, as much as they are one of my favorite bands ever, stole a lot of their bluesy stuff from old black blues musicians who couldn't afford/didn't have copyrights.

[TheEmptyCell]

Every blues bar band ever. I've never heard an 'original' blues tune. Also, most modern jazz.

[Matt Till]

You should look into hip hop.

[MistaMarko]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

You have to think of how many bands are out there, and how many original songs there are out there, trying to come up with something totally unique is verging on impossible really.

That's like saying every story has been written. It's impossible.

[Matt Till]

Originally Posted by MistaMarko

That's like saying every story has been written. It's impossible.

How many words are in the English Language?

How many notes are there in Western (or even Eastern) music?


See what I'm saying.

[metalbass777]

Originally Posted by MistaMarko

That's like saying every story has been written. It's impossible.

Yeah but every word and letter has been written before. Every concept and idea has been used before.

[Muusers]

its not how many notes exist smartass
its about how you combine a groove, lyrics, instruments, chord scheme, talent, voice etc.

so no, i dont see what you're saying

[TheButler]

what have i started ...

[LifeIsBass]

Originally Posted by Matt Till

You should look into hip hop.

+1,000,000!!! Yep! The vast majority of rap songs, especially the more popular ones have had samples ripped off from others. How pathetic!!!

[Matt Till]

Originally Posted by Muusers

its not how many notes exist smartass
its about how you combine a groove, lyrics, instruments, chord scheme, talent, voice etc.

so no, i dont see what you're saying

But it is all a slight variation of those notes/groove/lyrics/instruments/chord scheme/talent/voice/etc. And to continue to be an aparent smartass (real mature attacking me by the way, you got me good), look at that RHCP song that ripped off Tom Petty.

Groove was slightly different, lyrics were totally different, instruments same, chord sceme same, talent... that's debatable, voice different.

Almost everything that has been done with music is a slight variation on something that has already been done. Comparing language to music is nice and everything, but music is a very simple language compared to any major language.



Now I remeber the main reason I took a break from TB, pointless squabbling with people who disapprove of the fact that I have an opinion, so, sorry, you're right.

[peaveyuser]

Originally Posted by TehRoflCopter

Led Zeppelin, as much as they are one of my favorite bands ever, stole a lot of their bluesy stuff from old black blues musicians who couldn't afford/didn't have copyrights.

give some song examples, i'm a big zeppelin fan and hoping this is not true

[labgnat]

creative original music usually doesn't sell all that well so why both with something that's not gonna make you a ton of cash.

[SOA_bassist]

system of a down - spiders ( written in the 90's I think )

breaking benjamin - cold ( written after 2000 i think )

i couldnt stand breaking benjamin before I found out the stole the riff, but now instead of not liking, i REALLY dont like them lol

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by peaveyuser

That's total BS, there will always be something different out there to produce.

Its really not at all. When you write a piece of music, do you go and check with every other original piece of music ever written? No, its just not possible.

Without going into the realm of silly music, there is a very high chance that any original music you have written has also been written and played by some other band at some time or place.

Im not talking just about main stream bands, but take into account how many bands there are in the world . . .

[tZer]

"Steal" is the operative word. Implying that bands knowingly use another bands material and try to pass it off as their own original creation - and is just plain wrong.

Remove "Steal" and replace it with "borrow" and the story takes on a new angle. Band's who seek permission to use hooks/distinctive parts from the 'originators' of said hook/distinctive parts are at least being honest about what they are doing.

Why do they do it? Some will say it is to continually evolve the idea that the original groove/hook brought to light. Some bands do it in such a way that it actually pays homage and revitalizes the original if it has laid dormant for some time. In some cases it even introduces the originators to a whole new audience while also providing the band that borrowed it with a hit.

Others will say it is because some bands could not float an original idea if it had water-wings and need other bands material in order to stay afloat themselves.

Which is true depends on what else that band has to offer that is not borrowed. If a band who borrows other bands' material also has an impressive catalog of original stuff then they are just doing what many/most who have gone before them have done. If a band exists soley to use other bands grooves and offers nothing original, they are parasites and will most likely fade into obscurity due to lack of viablilty.