BELIEVE IT OR NOT-THIS IS NOT MARCUS MILLER!!!

bottomzone · #1 07-23-2007, 11:18 AM

Have any of you ever heard of Peter Muller? If not, fasten your seat belts!

http://cdbaby.com/cd/petermuller

Of course, there is only one Marcus Miller-but I'll be darned if Peter does not sound EXACTLY LIKE MARCUS!
Not only the "sound" of his bass, but his phrasing, drum programming, composing nuances, etc.

Keep God First!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste!

Dr. Cheese · #2 07-23-2007, 11:29 AM

That's the first time I ever heard the guy although I know DWBass has posted about him a few times. The man is clearly very talented, but I cannot understand why anyone that good would want so much to sound so much like somebody else. He is beyond Marcus influenced, he is a Marcus clone or copycat.

jenderfazz · #3 07-23-2007, 11:32 AM

I'm pretty sure the song M-Vibez is 90% like Power from MM. Even the progression seems very similar. That said, he's a very good bassist and he nails the Marcus vibe, but still...

**Mark Wilson** · #4 07-23-2007, 11:33 AM

No.
This guy has more of a low end that Marcus.

I definitely hear the influence though. But, doesn't sound EXACTLY like him. Just a little bit off.

T-MOST · #5 07-23-2007, 11:35 AM

I have yet to hear his stuff but I have heard that he sounds JUST like Marcus Miller. Being influenced by someone is one thing but taking it to damn near clone level is quite another. So much for having to find your OWN voice. However, I am still interested in hearing this cd.

T. Brookins · #6 07-23-2007, 11:35 AM

Inspiring!!...

I agree.

Wow!

Thanks!

Grueber · #7 07-23-2007, 11:41 AM

He does sound a lot like him, but all I know is I love listening to that CD.

JAUQO III-X · #8 07-23-2007, 11:44 AM

I got that CD when it first came out and aside from sounding a lot like Marcus(Marcus has even said so),overall the Cd really is very nice,well thought out and the production is top notch.

Craig Garfinkel · #9 07-23-2007, 12:04 PM

Great player. It takes a very talented artist to paint a copy of the Mona Lisa. But where's the artistic value in that? IMO this kind of artistic plagiarism is a sure way to ensure you remain virtually anonymous as an "artist".

He's not playing Marcus' compositions so the analogy ain't perfect, but what he is demonstrating is a complete co-opting (cloning) of Marcus' style.

It's a shame really. The cat can play and write.

Baryonyx · #10 07-23-2007, 03:27 PM

M-Vibes? Marcus Vibes?

he's good at doing the Marcus thing, but to be fair I'd rather just listen to Marcus himself!

DWBass · #11 07-26-2007, 06:58 AM

I own the cd as well and yes, Marcus has a huge influence on his style. But once you get past the similarities, the songwriting speaks for itself. The songs are very well written and his solos are perfect. To be honest though, there are other bassists who have similar sounds but basically it's just old school thumping with some new school tricks played on a Jazz bass! I have more of a problem with all the Victa clones! How many more solo bassists do we need in this world?? What happened to ensemble playing?

Ooops, forgot to take my meds this morning. Rant over!

JAUQO III-X · #12 07-26-2007, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DWBass

I own the cd as well and yes, Marcus has a huge influence on his style. But once you get past the similarities, the songwriting speaks for itself. The songs are very well written and his solos are perfect. To be honest though, there are other bassists who have similar sounds but basically it's just old school thumping with some new school tricks played on a Jazz bass!

I agree.

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Originally Posted by DWBass

Ooops, forgot to take my meds this morning. Rant over!

Dr. Cheese · #13 07-26-2007, 09:07 AM

The point about Wooten clones is legitimate. More to the point, double thumping has got to be the cooling sounding technique with almost not practical use in actual songs that has ever been invented. Just think, how often do you ever hear double thumbing in a composition that is not bass centered?

DWBass · #14 07-26-2007, 09:51 AM

To Jauqo,

The solo bass reference was not directed at or has nothing to do with you. What you do is unique and not a copied style! And you do play with ensembles! My reference is to those who woodshed for years to master Victa's style and then have a hard time playing in a band and laying back and just grooving! I just don't see the point unless you're just playing for yourself!

Having said that, I enjoy what VICTA does!

If I go to a concert and another cat is playing like Victa.........I'm walking out!

JAUQO III-X · #15 07-26-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DWBass

To Jauqo,

The solo bass reference was not directed at or has nothing to do with you. What you do is unique and not a copied style! And you do play with ensembles! My reference is to those who woodshed for years to master Victa's style and then have a hard time playing in a band and laying back and just grooving! I just don't see the point unless you're just playing for yourself!

Having said that, I enjoy what VICTA does!

If I go to a concert and another cat is playing like Victa.........I'm walking out!

I know it wasn't and I didn't at all think you were referring to me.

I sound nothing like Victor nor do I aspire to and Victor knows this.

I fully understand what you're saying and I agree and I feel that the clones need to spend more time working on developing a pocket.

when I do sessions one of my main focus is all about the pocket and I have asked producers or band leaders not to stress out about me needing a solo(because some bass players make it a priority to sweat the producer for one).

Plus I could do all the sololistic stuff I want in my own band projects and some times I'll take two or three bass solos at various points in my own compositions with my band.

We should start shooting the clones

DWBass · #16 07-26-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

We should start shooting the clones

Hmmmm............

If only it were legal! Probably reduce the worlds population by a million!

JAUQO III-X · #17 07-26-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DWBass

Hmmmm............

If only it were legal! Probably reduce the worlds population by a million!

Jim Nazium · #18 07-28-2007, 07:48 AM

I pretty much agree with all the posts about clones. However, if the worst thing anyone ever said about my playing was that I sounded just like Marcus Miller (or James Jamerson, or Darryl Jones, or Pino Palladino, or ...) I'd be quite happy.

JAUQO III-X · #19 07-28-2007, 08:22 AM

If some one were to say that I sound like another bass player, for me that would be an insult because I have no desire to sound like another bass player,especially when I'm more concerned with developing my own voice.

Craig Garfinkel · #20 07-28-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Nazium

I pretty much agree with all the posts about clones. However, if the worst thing anyone ever said about my playing was that I sounded just like Marcus Miller (or James Jamerson, or Darryl Jones, or Pino Palladino, or ...) I'd be quite happy.

True to a point. If you're trying to make a living playing bass, trying to do it with somebody else's distinctive instrumental "voice" is not the greatest plan, and IMO is probably detrimental towards that goal.

It's just like if you're a singer who imitates Sinatra, or Elvis, etc...your gigging opportunities are instantly limited. Granted some of the cats doing that do make a living as impersonators...but nobody's doing that on bass, at least AFAIK. Certainly not as Marcus. The exception may be the coupla cats doing the McCartney thing in Beatles tribute bands.

I still think this cat sounding so much like Marcus is more of a hindrance than a help, especially when making a recording as a solo artist. It's keeping mefrom buying his CD.