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05-16-2008, 02:56 PM
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"Chain Of Fools" yes great track, relentless groove, amazing stuff, we all know this, but someone is hella out of tune... they got the low tuned guitar which is way out, but there's confusion going on in there... anyone know the story?
Yeah I know it was the 60's and tuning was an art of the ear but wow.. the bass actually sounds out with itself... you wonder if maybe it was an early take or jam that had the best vibe so they kept it...
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05-16-2008, 02:59 PM
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I have often wondered the same!!!! 
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05-16-2008, 03:02 PM
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Then again...
Last night I was watching the VH-1 Classic "Classic Albums" program... They were doing the Grateful Dead's "American Beauty" album. They were isolating the rhythm guitar- and it was either out of tune or pretty nasty out of intonation...
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05-16-2008, 03:44 PM
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05-16-2008, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy  Might be the tremolo on the amp...
Then again...
Last night I was watching the VH-1 Classic "Classic Albums" program... They were doing the Grateful Dead's "American Beauty" album. They were isolating the rhythm guitar- and it was either out of tune or pretty nasty out of intonation... | Which is exactly the way Bob Weir sounds on the the jam
after St. Stephen on the red Live Dead album.
Actually, he was pretty close. I don't think I could tune an
instrument at all if I was stoned on acid.
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05-16-2008, 03:55 PM
|  | Evil Alien | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA | | | a couple other out of tune 1960's recordings:
the Cyrkle's "Turn-Down Day" has out of tune sitar on it, makes me cringe....
the Pretty Things' "You Don't Believe Me" (co-written with Jimmy Page) has a horribly out of tune guitar throughout it right from the beginning... Otherwise it would have been wonderful...
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05-16-2008, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy ...it was either out of tune or pretty nasty out of intonation... | I wonder-
Did anyone ever intonate their instruments back then?
I'm sure we have also heard tales of bassists that never changed any strings until one broke...gotta think some of those strings were 'un-tuneable'. 
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05-16-2008, 04:36 PM
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that takes me back!!
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05-16-2008, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JimK I wonder-
Did anyone ever intonate their instruments back then?
I'm sure we have also heard tales of bassists that never changed any strings until one broke...gotta think some of those strings were 'un-tuneable'. | good point. People started giving Jamerson crap after he moved to LA, because his strings were so old and dead that his intonation was thoroughly out of whack most of the time.
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05-17-2008, 11:07 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California | | not from the '60s but R.E.M.'s "It's The End of The World As We Know It" has some really memorable out of tune guitar "work" during the break leading into the final "can i have some time alone" part [to coda].
but it just seems to fit.. Quote:
Originally Posted by lunarpollen a couple other out of tune 1960's recordings:
the Cyrkle's "Turn-Down Day" has out of tune sitar on it, makes me cringe....
the Pretty Things' "You Don't Believe Me" (co-written with Jimmy Page) has a horribly out of tune guitar throughout it right from the beginning... Otherwise it would have been wonderful... | |
05-19-2008, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ryco Good one Thor!! Flakey Foont!!
that takes me back!! |
I may have to 'avatar' this, as the Qintar doesn't look like he
is going to pay up anytime soon.
Keep on Truckin' !!!
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05-19-2008, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy Might be the tremolo on the amp... | "Tremolo" should not make anything sound in or out of tune. It is volume only going up and down.
"Vibrato", whether electronically done or manual, is the sound of the pitch going up and down...which could make things sound out of tune if taken to extreme.
I know, I know. Tons of guitards and guitard manufacturers erroneously call the twang bar settup a "tremolo arm".
They are wrong.  
Sorry for the rant. Terminology pet peeve.
And, yes, there are tons of out of tune things going on on early recordings (ever heard some of the vocals on "The Stylistics" recordings? Eeeeeowww!   ).
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05-19-2008, 09:49 AM
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They don't make 'em like that anymore. Girls could sing. |
05-19-2008, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by emblymouse Notice how it had zero effect on Aretha and the girls?
They don't make 'em like that anymore. Girls could sing. | +100000 Aretha is a one of a kind.
As for the original question I think its the piano that might be out.
Flute solo on 'Nights in White Satin' is another one that sounds way off to me. |
05-19-2008, 10:04 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Suburbs of Chicago | | | Rip on me all you want, but I like the way the guitar sounds even if it is out of tune....I think that the out of tuneness adds to that cool, 60's R&B vintage feel of it. |
05-19-2008, 01:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cincinnati OH | | | The Stones had some real issues with 12 string guitar on some of the old tracks - The Singer Not the Song, Sad Day, I'm Free come to mind.
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05-19-2008, 09:57 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Boston, MA | | | Two of my favorite tracks are way out of tune
1) Band On The Run, when the 12 string comes in right before "Well the rain exploded with a mighty crash", way out of tune with itself.
2) Nick Lowe "Cruel To Be Kind" the heavily stacked background vocals on the chorus must be from another record entirely.
neither seemed to be hurt in the record sales department by said out of tuneness.
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05-20-2008, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by nysbob The Stones had some real issues with 12 string guitar on some of the old tracks - The Singer Not the Song, Sad Day, I'm Free come to mind. | I think they cured that by unplugging Brian Jones. iirc.
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05-20-2008, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pedro +100000 Aretha is a one of a kind.
As for the original question I think its the piano that might be out.
Flute solo on 'Nights in White Satin' is another one that sounds way off to me. | +1. That flute intonation is brutal
Also +1 to the Dead being horribly out of tune most of the time.
I love the joke:
Q: 'What did the Dead Head say when he ran out of acid':
A: 'This band sucks'
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