Chicago Kath-Era DVD January 2008

DZIB · #1 10-31-2007, 12:05 PM

Back in the early years, Chicago wasn't the schmaltzy pop band they are today. Pete Cetera was a great bass player and they had arguably the most under-rated guitarist in history (Terry Kath). Even though we are bass players here, the fact that this disc will cover the "Kath-era" is paramount. Do yourself a favor and check out one of the hottest bands in their prime. If you haven't been exposed to the genius of Terry Kath, you should definitely check this stuff out. You may want to buy the Carnegie Hall CD to whet your appetite.

"Rhino will release Scrapbook 1967-1977 DVD on January 29, 2008, which features footage of the band's first ten years, including a live show in Japan in 1972, a Dick Clark Special that has long been requested by fans, new interviews with the four original members, and never-before-seen home video from Robert Lamm. "

JimK · #2 10-31-2007, 12:09 PM

I'm down.
In my book, Chicago's debut album is up there...any genre, any era.

Fans of Van halen's "Eruption" should do themselves a favour & check out Kath's "Free Form Guitar".

JimK · #3 10-31-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DZIB

You may want to buy the Carnegie Hall CD to whet your appetite.

Live In Japan is another great live record from the same era as "Carnegie Hall"...iTunes has it dirt cheap compared to the rabble attempting to get $200 for this OOP album.

DZIB · #4 10-31-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JimK

Live In Japan is another great live record from the same era as "Carnegie Hall"...iTunes has it dirt cheap compared to the rabble attempting to get $200 for this OOP album.

LIJ is a great deal, but Carnegie Hall is incredible (Here is is on Amazon for $26.97 - http://www.amazon.com/Carnegie-Hall-...3855665&sr=1-1

Chicago V is my favorite studio album of theirs. http://www.amazon.com/Chicago-V/dp/B...159123-1605409

DZIB · #5 10-31-2007, 12:43 PM

Oops!
The Carnegie link was bad. This should work: http://www.amazon.com/Carnegie-Hall-...3855665&sr=1-1

manbass · #6 10-31-2007, 12:53 PM

DZIB - you are so right....taste this....

Kath was the Man

DZIB · #7 10-31-2007, 01:00 PM

Manbass- You heard the tale about Hendrix talking about Kath at a Whiskey show early on where they were billed together. He said Kath was way better than him. I couldn't agree more.

A classic from V -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=zp7f6MZeGm0

manbass · #8 11-01-2007, 11:16 AM

ooooo nice one. You know...I would say the same about Robin Trower (vs. Jimmi that is). Its really a style thing IMO, theyre all authentic masters to me. I've never been a Hendrix fan...back then for me it was early Gilmore or Page.

Kath had this momentum thing that you could feel his rhythm groove more than other wankers. His sound had a natural bounce I could relate to.

JimK · #9 11-01-2007, 12:29 PM

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LIJ is a great deal, but Carnegie Hall is incredible (Here is is on Amazon for $26.97

I got the Carnegie Hall box back when it first came out...for Xmas. IIRC, it was $8 at the NEX (most LPs were $4), so $8 seemed like a lot (even though it was 4 records).
The bad thing about the cds? No posters or booklets...one poster was so big it covered my entire bedroom wall.

jerry · #10 11-01-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim

I got the Carnegie Hall box back when it first came out...for Xmas. IIRC, it was $8 at the NEX (most LPs were $4), so $8 seemed like a lot (even though it was 4 records).
The bad thing about the cds? No posters or booklets...one poster was so big it covered my entire bedroom wall.

*old-guy-back-in-my-day warning*

The one thing the newer generation of downloaders will miss, is the joy of record-covers. I remember how cool it was to bring a album home that had a gate-fold that opened up, even doing double duty.

The Owl · #11 11-01-2007, 07:44 PM

HOLY CRAP!!!! That was pretty kick-ass, makes even MORE sad to realize what happened to them., between Cetera's sappy inclinations and their evil domineering producer at that time (JW Guercio).

JimK · #12 11-02-2007, 04:34 AM

I'll take Guercio's version of Chicago over David Foster's any day.

Funny, there was a time where I really dug Foster's production...the Jarreau stuff is still good & it doesn't get better than EW&F's "After The Love Has Gone".
Nevertheless, the Foster-ized AWB sucked...much of The Tubes ala David Foster blew, too.

Another 'back-in-the-day' moment (lucky for you guys that my long-term memory is still pretty intact)-

I recall a Sunday night special w/ Chicago & Guercio was playing a natural wood Gibson Ripper...this was in the "If You Leave Me Now" time frame.
(IIRC, Guercio played the bass on that track).

JimK · #13 11-02-2007, 04:38 AM

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I remember how cool it was to bring a album home that had a gate-fold that opened up, even doing double duty.

That was fun.
Sometimes, those gate-fold albums went to a single cover...you hadda jump on it early!

DZIB · #14 11-02-2007, 07:17 AM

And they were great for rolling!!!

Busker · #15 11-02-2007, 07:49 AM

Hey, I used to be a big fan of early Chicago stuff, Kath and Cetera in particular. And Robert Lamm was one of the best songwriters of that era.

Although I have all of the early music on vinyl up to 1972 and one or two later lp's, I seldom break it out for a listen. A lot of those first three double albums had sub-par filler material (as well as a bunch of all-time classic top 40 hits). The Carnegie Hall box set is fun though. I found a near mint vinyl box set, including the posters and booklets and the voter registration info sheet at an antique shop for $15. I had to get that, 'cause I had it as a kid.

They were a good band back in the early days. The later stuff, well...

DocBop · #16 11-02-2007, 09:02 AM

I remember when CTA later just called Chicago first came to L.A. and opened for everyone at the Whiskey for a long time. I heard them many nights along with other greats. Used to love their jams on I'm A Man and they were still experimenting with arrangements for songs that later became hits.

tom grossheider · #17 11-02-2007, 10:19 AM

My Rhino Live at Carnegie Hall 4 volume CD set has a booklet and the mini-posters. Pretty cool with some extra cuts. Terry Kath was a fantastic guitarist and vocalist as well.

DZIB · #18 11-02-2007, 11:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOroWOamrpQ ("Introduction" - Live 1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gje_0OMj4h4 ("Dialogue" - Live 1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kMT4m8QKT4 ("Make Me Smile"/"Lowdown"/"Now More Than Ever" - Live 1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-LoRtUB510 ("Uptown" - Live 1977)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly1H_tk2fMg ("It Better End Soon" - Live 1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7rOZ1cZo ("A Song For Richard And His Friends" - Live 1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unbvBZ-PBaU ("Once Or Twice" - Live 1977)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOqsRirfDLM ("Mother" - Live 1972)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIiWpgZ3nE ("Color My World" - Live 1977)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHpoF8Qnm6E ("Beginnings" - Live 1970)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggiYK3j8Meg ("Questions 67 & 68" - sync'd Paris 1969) - Check the guitar licks in the intro!!

Busker · #19 11-02-2007, 01:30 PM

I watched the synced in Paris Questions 67 & 68.

Pretty cool for being synced. Cetera's bass line in that song is interesting. I think it grooves, but I don't care for the tone too much. Of course its just youtube. The tone on the record was much better. Kath was almost ignored by the cameramen. I have a similar clip of them on some German TV show (in b/w), same era, maybe even the same European trip, doing I'm A Man. On that song, the horn section were playing cow bell and wooden sticks and such, instead of horns.

I read an interview with Lamm and Pankow once. They said Cetera was at odds with the horn section, that he really didn't care for the horns all that much. He made a pretty darn good career of it though, whether he was entirely happy with the band or not.

DZIB · #20 11-02-2007, 02:12 PM

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I watched the synced in Paris Questions 67 & 68.

I read an interview with Lamm and Pankow once. They said Cetera was at odds with the horn section, that he really didn't care for the horns all that much. He made a pretty darn good career of it though, whether he was entirely happy with the band or not.

Sounds about right. A lot of the stuff he wrote didn't have the horns involved. Going all the way back - "Where Do We Go From Here" (II), "What Else Can I Say" (III), "In Terms Of Two" (VI), "Happy Man" (VII), etc.