Classical Thump - Reading "Best of"

QED314 · #1 02-02-2007, 12:45 PM

Hello all,

I'm trying to learn Wooten's Classical Thump from his "Best of Book". At one point in the piece there are a number of measures in 3/4. In each measure is a repeating line. I am having some trouble interpreting it. I can read, but am only an average sight reader.

In each bar of three four is a group of sixteenth notes, 16 exactly. My question is, how does one read a group of 16 straight 16th notes in one bar of 3/4? This has really got me stumped, and I've had a lot of trouble picking it off the CD (it's played very fast). Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks!

QED

QED314 · #2 02-03-2007, 12:09 PM

Bump... Anybody?

lemur821 · #3 02-03-2007, 01:11 PM

I think one tries to spot the typo. Could you tell us how many seconds into the song this occurs?

Grueber · #4 02-03-2007, 01:12 PM

there is 16 notes because they are in a grouping of notes(like triplets). that's why it has the number 16 written underneath it.

QED314 · #5 02-03-2007, 03:47 PM

Hey,

Sincere thanks for the replies. It's about 2 minutes and 47 seconds into the song. The thing that confused me is that even in triplets, I can't seem to understand how a group of 16 16th notes can be played in one measure of 3/4. How does one read this, or even better, how would you count this out? I am truly stumped on this! Again, thanks for the help. this is driving me nuts!

QED314

PS. I tried playing it as straight 16th's and it just doesn't sound right.

Grueber · #6 02-03-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by QED314

Hey,

Sincere thanks for the replies. It's about 2 minutes and 47 seconds into the song. The thing that confused me is that even in triplets, I can't seem to understand how a group of 16 16th notes can be played in one measure of 3/4. How does one read this, or even better, how would you count this out? I am truly stumped on this! Again, thanks for the help. this is driving me nuts!

QED314

PS. I tried playing it as straight 16th's and it just doesn't sound right.

right, they are not triplets. and playing strait 16ths won't work. I'm not really sure how someone would count "sixteenthlets" but just keep listening to the CD i guess

he plays that part at about 32 seconds into this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw8ytGHTbNc

velvetkevorkian · #7 02-03-2007, 11:59 PM

Well, its just like triplets, except instead of playing 3 notes in the space of 2, you play 16 in the space of 12, or 4 in the space of 3 if that makes it any easier.

QED314 · #8 02-04-2007, 02:33 PM

Thanks for the input everyone, somehow I'm still not getting this! I'll keep trying and post any ideas I come up with.

THANKS!

QED

T-MOST · #9 02-04-2007, 02:41 PM

If you play them really damn fast... they will fit!

Speedsolve · #10 02-06-2007, 12:24 PM

I don't understand why it's written that way. It basically implies a polyrhythm of 4/4 over 3/4(where the bass plays in 4/4 over a 3/4 pulse) but since there is no 3/4 pulse we're just left with a bass figure in 4/4. Just change the time sig to 4/4 and ignore the 16:12 grouping.

QED314 · #11 02-06-2007, 12:32 PM

Ok, here's the line from the book. I still can't seem to see how you count out this rhythm. Any ideas?

(It's attached to this post)

QED314 · #12 02-06-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedsolve

I don't understand why it's written that way. It basically implies a polyrhythm of 4/4 over 3/4(where the bass plays in 4/4 over a 3/4 pulse) but since there is no 3/4 pulse we're just left with a bass figure in 4/4. Just change the time sig to 4/4 and ignore the 16:12 grouping.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. The thing is, when I play it as straight 16th's, it just sounds a little off. I tried slowing the CD down, but I just can't put my finger on what exactly I'm missing.

policyvote · #13 02-06-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedsolve

I don't understand why it's written that way. It basically implies a polyrhythm of 4/4 over 3/4(where the bass plays in 4/4 over a 3/4 pulse) but since there is no 3/4 pulse we're just left with a bass figure in 4/4. Just change the time sig to 4/4 and ignore the 16:12 grouping.

Yeah, but then you lose the original tempo. I think the idea is that those sixteen notes are played in the space of three beats, in the original tempo and time signature.

I'd attach a sound file of what I mean but . . . well, cripes, I can't play that!!

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