Dirty Loops?!?!??!?!

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by rimbaud

I beg your pardon? you're not talking about musical dynamics, are you? cos' once I DL one of their tune (I know, it's illegal, but I did it for science) to see what was really wrong with that kind of "sound". A sound that I really dislike.

There's no dynamics at all, as metal bands !!! I measured with Dynamic Range Meter and foobar2000 player, a shame: the dynamics level said 4.5 !!!! and worst of all, can anyone really define the sound of the bass?? you hear what, mids ok it's necessary, highs... and the lows ???? it's loud, hypercompressed, so bye bye the lows !! the highs will always break over with that kind of mix. And the other swedish band posted here, the same thing! actual mix for masses, but not musical mix, good to hear in your smartphone when volume is leveled by manufacturers anyway... or with cheap monitoring on your laptop/pc.

It's loudness war, hurray..............

I'll give you the bit on dynamics. Volume and tempo were kept fairly constant throughout. However, to claim that the mix was bad or that the bass lacked definition, I'm wondering exactly what you're listening to this band through. Laptop speakers? I think it was VERY well balanced. The bassist's tone isn't my favorite but thats how the Yamaha TRBs tend to sound - very modern. Tight bass, somewhat mid-focused and a really sharp top-end. Not my favorite sound in the world but considering how good the music was it's not a huge deal, at least not for me. It certainly wasn't lacking lows. Did you listen to Dirty?

I'm guessing that if you downloaded these tunes from a site other than their Soundcloud then you pulled it from Youtube in which case there's a very good chance that there was quite a bit of quality lost in the conversion. It'll come out sounding very heavily compressed with audio artifacts if the conversion wasn't done properly

All of their cover tunes (with the exception of Baby, which is going up in a week or so) are available for free here:

Dirty Loops's sounds on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

[rimbaud]

Sincerily? not better (Yamaha HS50M, even with earphones that's the same, a little better of course but what a lack of low frequencies !!) and soundcloud eats dynamics too (got an account there for bass-tests soundclips, it's a shame...) In fact i'm really fed up with MP3 compression, and over-compressing a mix to fill it in MP3's, that makes too mouch for me. Really fed up with over-compressed mix ! Of course you hear them, but those keyboards are really stressing me !!

I heard the rest, no it's sounds too much pop for me. Really I can't bear that music, even if the guys are killas.

And ...guys.... 5 threads on TB, many more on european forums, I'm going to setup my Ad-Blocker with the tag "dirty loops" to prevent any recurrent thread lol!

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by rimbaud

Sincerily? not better (Yamaha HS50M, even with earphones that's the same, a little better of course but what a lack of low frequencies !!) and soundcloud eats dynamics too (got an account there for bass-tests soundclips, it's a shame...) In fact i'm really fed up with MP3 compression, and over-compressing a mix to fill it in MP3's, that makes too mouch for me. Really fed up with over-compressed mix ! Of course you hear them, but those keyboards are really stressing me !!

I heard the rest, no it's sounds too much pop for me. Really I can't bear that music, even if the guys are killas.

And ...guys.... 5 threads on TB, many more on european forums, I'm going to setup my Ad-Blocker with the tag "dirty loops" to prevent any recurrent thread lol!

Well, if you just don't like it that's fine. I don't think many folks would agree that the recording/mixing was poorly done.

I'm tired of the repeat thread too but it's nice to see some excitement for something music-related that isn't fueled by doe-eyed nostalgia. Music ain't like it used to be but there's still plenty of stuff worth getting at least a little giddy over. These guys are fresh and people like them, that makes me happy.

[John Burgess]

Id like to wait and see how their original music sounds. The thing is millions of people search for Bieber and Lady Gaga et al, and so theyve done a good job in publicising their name, maybe at the expense of alienating some people in their cover song choices.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by John Burgess

Id like to wait and see how their original music sounds. The thing is millions of people search for Bieber and Lady Gaga et al, and so theyve done a good job in publicising their name, maybe at the expense of alienating some people in their cover song choices.

I guarantee you that doing the reverse (all originals, no covers) would have gotten them far less attention. I think that they'd say that the expense was worth it - in the nicest way possible, of course .

[John Burgess]

I know, I have the same issue myself.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by rimbaud

I beg your pardon? you're not talking about musical dynamics, are you? cos' once I DL one of their tune (I know, it's illegal, but I did it for science) to see what was really wrong with that kind of "sound". A sound that I really dislike.

There's no dynamics at all, as metal bands !!! I measured with Dynamic Range Meter and foobar2000 player, a shame: the dynamics level said 4.5 !!!! and worst of all, can anyone really define the sound of the bass?? you hear what, mids ok it's necessary, highs... and the lows ???? it's loud, hypercompressed, so bye bye the lows !! the highs will always break over with that kind of mix. And the other swedish band posted here, the same thing! actual mix for masses, but not musical mix, good to hear in your smartphone when volume is leveled by manufacturers anyway... or with cheap monitoring on your laptop/pc.

It's loudness war, hurray..............

I listened to them on Youtube so I automatically cut sound quality some slack. That said, I did hear dynamics in their performances... meaning that they weren't always straight banging at one loud volume with no change in intensity. My idea of group dynamics and yours may differ.

Generally speaking...

To the idea that the Bieber "cover" is Pop... I think that so misses the point. It would be in the same vein as calling Coltrane's "My Favorite Things" a show tune. Where a tune starts doesn't define it...it's where it ends up.

I can easily see some people not liking it and getting worked up because someone doesn't like the same things as others makes zero sense. If you're doing it, stop.


Whenever I see comments like the ones about the bassist's appearance, I think about how often someone tries to convince others about how open minded bassists are. Some are, some clearly aren't. Linder's fashion sense was a complete non issue for me. Not sure why it would be for anyone not interested in dating him.



I'm not impressed with chops for chops sake, haven't been for a long time. These guys can play and I find some of what they do very refreshing. The bass solo on the Bieber cut was very nice. Don't know if it was spontaneous, don't particularly care. Nice ideas executed very well. The singer can sing and play his butt off, the drummer's tight, I'd imagine working with a trio like this would be way too much fun. At least it would for me.

But this ain't Pop. IMO.

[mellowinman]

Originally Posted by Pacman

No originality???


Because everybody these days is reharmonizing top 40 tunes, playing them with amazing chops and killer grooves?

I wonder if we're hearing the same things....

It sounded exactly like what I hear on the radio, with a lot of extra notes on the bass.

Soul?

Sorry, NONE.

Nada.

Zip.

There was no emotional connection at all.

It was actually painful for me.

[Brad Johnson]

Cool.

[Starrchild]

Originally Posted by mellowinman

It sounded exactly like what I hear on the radio, with a lot of extra notes on the bass.

Soul?

Sorry, NONE.

Nada.

Zip.

There was no emotional connection at all.

It was actually painful for me.

I actually think there very soulful. The singer/keyboardist sounds a lot like Stevie Wonder, you can't get anymore soulful than that.

[pacojas]

yup,... these guys are GREAT,.... but

they will be instructed to Dumb-It-Down if they expect to achieve mass consumption of their own music, IMHO. otherwise, it's straight to the bargin bin at the mall.

[Brad Johnson]

If they put their own product out...

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by mellowinman

It sounded exactly like what I hear on the radio, with a lot of extra notes on the bass.

Dear lord, PLEASE tell me what radio station you've been listening to and what would be acceptable payment in return for every song they play. I'm beggin' ya'.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by pacojas

yup,... these guys are GREAT,.... but

they will be instructed to Dumb-It-Down if they expect to achieve mass consumption of their own music, IMHO. otherwise, it's straight to the bargin bin at the mall.

I doubt that'll stop them though. This is actually the most buzz I've seen about any fusion group, well... ever. I'm not just talking about Talkbass either. These guys seem to be getting a pretty big fanbase. That makes me pretty happy. This is the closest I've come to thinking that any fusion group could ever appear on MTV and please EVERYONE. Slim chance for sure but I think it's there.

[jerry]

What's that whooshing sound?

[Dudie]

Originally Posted by BIG97BEN

Kind of. The real name of the band is Jonathan Lundberg band and they have some pretty good stuff up of them playing live and not covering a bunch of pop tunes. I thought they were good enough to keep searching them on YouTube.

Jonathan Lundberg is a friend of mine and thats a totaly different band. Japp,...Henrik plays there but thats all.

[capnsandwich]

Here's another band I like that's full of great musicians. They're not as R&B sounding or as funky as Dirty Loops but they're definitely just as talented IMO.

Warning: it's an Eminem cover so it has profanity.

Slim Shady - The Musical - YouTube

[rimbaud]

Yeah very cool stuff, very musical mix and no technique's demonstrative based. The singer is really talented and have a great sense of humor and self-mockery, more creative than those 3 swedishes IMHO !

THX

[rimbaud]

But anyway, nobody can beats Jamie Cullum (talking about Rihanna...)
Don't Stop The Music - Jamie Cullum - YouTube

You want soul?? served !

And Lady Gaga, she can be great with covers, a really true artist:
Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga - The Lady Is A Tramp - YouTube

So now you understand why those swedishes don't suits me, no soul for me when I hear them. And comparing the singer with Stevie Wonder, pleazzzz, be serious one second the guy has technique, but where's emotion? feelings? Jamie's got all that for instance (he jammed once with Stevie himself...)

[Dudie]

Originally Posted by rimbaud

But anyway, nobody can beats Jamie Cullum (talking about Rihanna...)
Don't Stop The Music - Jamie Cullum - YouTube

You want soul?? served !

And Lady Gaga, she can be great with covers, a really true artist:
Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga - The Lady Is A Tramp - YouTube

So now you understand why those swedishes don't suits me, no soul for me when I hear them. And comparing the singer with Stevie Wonder, pleazzzz, be serious one second the guy has technique, but where's emotion? feelings? Jamie's got all that for instance (he jammed once with Stevie himself...)

Ok...everybody got their own taste but for me the Loop guys are SO much more interesting and fresh sounding.