Is this an example of Chuck Rainey playing behind the beat...(strange recording)

[Music_for_life]

Here he plays with a Latin America soloist, andres calamaro...Do you listen to it as behind the beat???
I know he plays very relaxed, is this an example of playing behind??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZWQL...eature=related

[Stick_Player]

No.

Sounds like MIDI drums, or replaced drums (a la Drumagog or the like). If the bass was tracked live, probably Beat Detective'd, and looped.

[drnknmstr]

When I think Chuck Rainey, I actually think of him tending to play on top a lot, depending on the records. That's just my association with him.

Maybe he is a hair behind, but it's a really subtle difference. You CAN play behind the beat while the drum machine is looped or whatever. I think better examples are any Bob Marley recordings, George Porter Jr with the Meters, Pino with D'Angelo. At least they're more obvious examples. Bootsy, Me'shell Ndegeocello, too.

Larry Graham is nice and behind here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64OcpQC25V4


and Meshell's got a good one here. The bass doesn't come in til the end, but you can hear how behind the whole groove is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqV9Z5DqUKM

[Music_for_life]

any more?

[plangentmusic]

Actually, I think that's perfect example of sitting steadily on back of the beat.

Incidentally, this can be done with a simple recording technique. Play a part as dead center as possible and then move it back 1/64th note. It won't sound off, but it'll change the whole feel of the song.

[Mark Wilson]

You want behind the beat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVNOnPyvIU

The chorus gives me a heart attack every time.

[plangentmusic]

Originally Posted by Mark Wilson

You want behind the beat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVNOnPyvIU

The chorus gives me a heart attack every time.

That just sounds off.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by plangentmusic

That just sounds off.

It's definitely an acquired taste if you don't grow up with it. Here are a couple more examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDtAOWFW2Pk

edit: couldn't find the other example I was looking for.

[plangentmusic]

Originally Posted by Kwesi

It's definitely an acquired taste if you don't grow up with it. Here are a couple more examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDtAOWFW2Pk

edit: couldn't find the other example I was looking for.

That sounds different to me -- it's loose, but it kinda grooves. The other track sounds like the parts were recorded separately and it just wasn't syncing.

[Music_for_life]

Originally Posted by Mark Wilson

You want behind the beat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVNOnPyvIU

The chorus gives me a heart attack every time.

I can`t wach it, do you have other link?

[Music_for_life]

Originally Posted by plangentmusic

Actually, I think that's perfect example of sitting steadily on back of the beat.

Incidentally, this can be done with a simple recording technique. Play a part as dead center as possible and then move it back 1/64th note. It won't sound off, but it'll change the whole feel of the song.

You are refering to the chuck rainey bass line?? So you agree it`s behind the beat?

[plangentmusic]

Originally Posted by Music_for_life

You are refering to the chuck rainey bass line?? So you agree it`s behind the beat?

Yes, but not so much that it bogs it down -- just enough to deepen it.

[Music_for_life]

Originally Posted by plangentmusic

Yes, but not so much that it bogs it down -- just enough to deepen it.

Don`t get mad! It`s my poor english, I am not so slow