I spent hours on a cover but I can't show it to you.

[b4nny]

Today I decided to record my first bass cover - I had narrowed it down to two songs by the same artist. For some reason I saw there weren't many bass covers of these songs on youtube, so I guess I'd be one of the first.

After 10 minutes I finally had my setup ready. Bass -> DigiTech BP80 -> SansAmp BDDI parallel to PC for recording and Output for the amp (I didn't want the sansamp's midcut to come through in the recording). Yeah, this is my first cover, but I'm a perfectionist and I wanted good quality.

I set the camera on my desk and put on my iPod earphones. Started recording the bass on the computer, then started the video recording, then started the song on the iPod. I got nervous and messed up a ton of times on the first song (starting a new take isn't very fun with this setup), and after a while my left hand started to get sore. Ok, plan B. I'll record the other one, because it's simpler. 15 minutes later and I had a decent take of the song.

Next, I synched up the audio and video and added titles in Windows Movie Maker. Previewed it many times and it looked good.

Finally, I headed to Youtube to upload the vid. Add a description, yada yada, upload it already! Processing, ok, it'll just be a few minutes. I turn back to the page in a while and I'm shocked to see that my video has been REJECTED? What? Matched content owned by UMG... What a waste of time.

But I decided there was still hope. I spent an hour adding strange effects and EQs to the song but leaving my bass untouched in the hopes that it would be distorted enough to be unrecognizable by the content monitor. Nope. Phaser and echo isn't enough.

Why should my bass cover be deleted from youtube? How am I hurting this giant company by playing along to their songs? If anything, it's free advertising. I feel sad because now I know I won't be able to post any videos by this artist, and I was really looking forward to it. Meh.

[Step]

just out of curiosity, what was the artist?

try uploading it with another name

so not: artist song cover

but: bass cover

see if that helps

[amimbari]

Originally Posted by MotownBass

Yep, got rejected due to copyright violation. Change the name and that should do it.

yep if you ( or anyone ) reads the NEW T.O.S for uploading vidoes, you MUST have written permission from the "owner" -- PERIOD.

Changing the name or not putting "tags" in your decrip will not matter, just delaying the inevitable .

if they flagged your video, your account is now watched. if you re-post it and it is the same audio you will have your account suspended for multiple violations.

I had a friend try it...you CAN'T get away from it PERIOD..

I always look to see if anyone else is doing the same tune before I post. If it is a popular song or group, and there are NO other videos of the tune, you HAVE to be careful...

I had to delete a lot of "favorited" videos as they were all removed by youtube in the past 3 months.

I ALSO have videos that they said were violations, but they throw advertisements on it, and let you play it anyway.

everyone thinks there is 10 people who watch over the millions of accounts on youtube--hahaha not a chance..there are hundreds of people who FLAG videos every day with a passion according to a list they are given as well as the many who are there to check out brand-new uploaded videos to reject..

there is one thing on the table within youtube, and that is the HORROR WORD: PAY a monthly FEE?!?

if they do that, there will be a huge drop in youtube membership for posters like myself who enjoy jamming COVERS in front of the world...

I'm not on there to watch some stupid 12 year old throw up on a schoolbus, I'm not there to watch 1000 of the same 1993 music videos. I'm there to post ME, and my playing like a million others. Yes I hate it, but it IS FREE, and I have no say in the matter when it comes to this type of censorship.

[AJ Brown]

Originally Posted by MotownBass

Yep, got rejected due to copyright violation. Change the name and that should do it.

That doesn't work. They are analyzing the audio streams to do the matching. I uploaded a vid of "I Want You Back", and it recognized it immediately after the upload was done. Less than 20 mins later, it was blocked.

Another one I uploaded... "Easy" got through but is partially blocked in selected countries.

YouTube is very sophisticated in what they're doing these days, mainly to avoid the onslaught of copyright violations... which IMO is just fine.

One thing to do would be to perhaps lower the volume of the actual song being played over so it's not as easily dectected, while keeping the bass volume up. I'm experimenting with that now.

[amimbari]

Originally Posted by AJ Brown

That doesn't work. They are analyzing the audio streams to do the matching.

YouTube is very sophisticated in what they're doing these days, mainly to avoid the onslaught of copyright violations... which IMO is just fine.

since this is a good discussion, I will 100% agree with you. Youtube and it's affiliates are there to make money FROM the sponsors, NOT FROM US and as long as the millions of users don't pay a dime, we are going to have to accept the fact that we must do what they say, to play.....

the "I'm only doing a tribute to my favorite artist so why is it a violation" bull is not gonna work anymore, and the thousands of blogs crying about it, just make me laugh sometimes, when THOSE VERY SAME PEOPLE say " I'LL never PAY to PLAY SOMEONE ELSE'S MUSIC". << kinda oxymoronish if you ask me...

DOSEN'T ANYONE REMEMBER NAPSTER????

yes I hate it too.........

[b4nny]

The songs I wanted to do were Pretty Noose and The Day I Tried To Live by Soundgarden. I ended up skipping Pretty Noose because the onslaught of power chords and the trill thing in the chorus really started taking a toll on my left hand. But in the end, neither would have been shown on youtube. Guess I'll do something by the Police or Nirvana instead...

[amimbari]

Originally Posted by MotownBass

Don't know man. I mean, when you get paid to do covers its one thing. When you play over a record you've bought to post a video of your playing on the internet, it's a different story, IMHO.

Too bad YouTube can't seem to agree. People will just go elsewhere. These websites die as fast as they get famous.

this topic will get beat to death for a while...

what I try to do is see how popular the song is on youtube BEFORE I even think about recording it, meaning if there are 100 others doing it, then I feel safe doing it without it getting pulled.

The one's I do that are the "noone else does a cover of this tune" jams are questionable, but in all my videos I have only had 3 deleted, and one filled with the AD's.

I believe IF the people who claim ownership WANT to make money, then YES, they should leave them there, and fill the video with ad's, Itunes and other links so people can actually GO and buy them cause I have no problem with that in any way..

( but that's me, and not the "LAW" )

[amimbari]

Originally Posted by MotownBass

That's an interesting idea. Would help a lot of artists out.

that was the whole "beginning" idea behind youtube...for those who don't remember that far back .

always remember youtube is not hosted by a 9.95 a month GO-DADDY ISP, and it takes hundreds of thousands of dollars yearly from somewhere to keep all that stuff turned on...The next step would be to CHARGE, and I don't even want to turn this thread into a "WHO WOULD PAY TO PLAY"...

for the 10's of thousands of people just posting music videos from VH1 or MTV/BET wherever, good for them. For people trying to show their skills on youtube, good for them.

if your using someone elses music and you get pissed because they don't want you to jam on it...too bad isn't it.

CREATE YOUR OWN --- or find something that you CAN jam on, and be happy with it --there is about a ga-zillion hits out there that can be openly played...pick one of those to show off with.

[amimbari]

Originally Posted by MotownBass

But the point is that whether youtube accepts my video or not, it won't keep me from jamming to the record. People dont click on a bassist's video to hear the song playing behind it...

well that is also true, theres a ton of people who play with headphones on and all you hear is the bass/guitar/whatever only, but it is always a lot nicer to hear the whole thing covered with the stuff in the background to follow along with ( vocals/violins/drums, etc. ), because for me IMO, I listen to all of it, and get bored watching someone just playing the bass only, unless it is a home-made piece that they created all themselves...

I'm not arguing his point in any way, I think it all sucks as well, and would not lead people to believe I am defending youtube, it's sponsors, or the artists that will not let their music be used for a free service.

[JohnnyPustular]

Originally Posted by MotownBass

new sites will open eventually

+1 The beauty of the web!