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06-01-2005, 03:03 PM
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So you guys know that song called Schism by Tool? Well I think my dad and I figured out the time signature!
At the end when Maynard's like, "I know the pieces fit", i'm pretty sure it's in one measure of 5/4 then one measure of 7/8 and it continues to alternate?
Your guys' thoughts?
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06-01-2005, 03:57 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Lyt Pedalboards Beta tester: Source Audio Moderator | | Join Date: May 2002 Location: Connecticut | | | The main bass riff at the beginning is in 3/4, and later in the track (when he's using a whammy) he plays in 12/8, with a turnaround in 3/8. There's probably some other time sigs going on in that song. |
06-01-2005, 04:05 PM
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06-02-2005, 12:43 PM
| | | | theres something kind of funny that happened when my friend was trying to jam with that song with the drummer of our band while rehearsing. he was playing the beginning riff on the guitar and the drummer didnt do anything for about 5 seconds and then got up and said "i dont know what the hell your doing". this thread just reminded me of it.
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06-02-2005, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by amused2KAOS theres something kind of funny that happened when my friend was trying to jam with that song with the drummer of our band while rehearsing. he was playing the beginning riff on the guitar and the drummer didnt do anything for about 5 seconds and then got up and said "i dont know what the hell your doing". this thread just reminded me of it. | Ha that sounds like when we were trying to jam the song "Eleven" by Primus that's in 11/8. My drummer is just like, "Umm... that's ****ed up man."
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06-02-2005, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Petary791 Your guys' thoughts? | Woot. Those sigs are simple. |
06-02-2005, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Twelve Woot. Those sigs are simple. | I hope you're being facetious! 
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06-02-2005, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Petary791 I hope you're being facetious! | 3/4 is a pretty common time sig- it's the sound of a lot of waltzs- it's probably the most natural-feeling time signature after 4/4. The riff Chancellor plays to fit into the time sig is why it sounds complicated. |
06-02-2005, 07:43 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Michigan, USA | | | Yeah I know 3/4 is pretty common, it just didn't come off to me as 3/4.
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06-02-2005, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Petary791 Yeah I know 3/4 is pretty common, it just didn't come off to me as 3/4. | I understand- I'm terrible at figuring out time signatures by listening to them-when I hear the opening riff, I my first though is always that it's in 7/4. |
06-03-2005, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Petary791 I hope you're being facetious! |
Hell no. Do you really find Schism to be that complicated? |
06-04-2005, 12:24 AM
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Enjoy your vacation. 
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06-04-2005, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Twelve Hell no. Do you really find Schism to be that complicated? | It is not that difficult, for somebody with some experience, formal training, and/or knowledge of theory.
But for a self taught beginner, it is pretty difficult.
As I said, you did not violate any rules with your post, but it did come across as arrogant.
Try to be a little more considerate of members who are not as advanced technically or musically as yourself.
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06-04-2005, 04:24 AM
| | | Those tims sigs *are* simple!
In my band, the Speedfunkers, we play Nu-Retro Speedjazz-post-funk fusion  . One one song, we play septuplets and pentuplets over an alternating 5\8 beat over a 13\8 rhythm. Seriously, synchopation is god.
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06-04-2005, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Erlend_G Those tims sigs *are* simple!
In my band, the Speedfunkers, we play Nu-Retro Speedjazz-post-funk fusion . One one song, we play septuplets and pentuplets over an alternating 5\8 beat over a 13\8 rhythm. Seriously, synchopation is god.
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06-04-2005, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler I have a hunch that if God was putting a CD in his player right now, he'd pick a James Brown one over a Spiral Architect one. |
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06-04-2005, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by embellisher timidbassist, what he posted was not against the rules. However, your post violated several rules.
Enjoy your vacation. | Are you sure you didn't mean to post that in the other thread? I don't see timidbassist in here. Quote: |
Originally Posted by embellisher It is not that difficult, for somebody with some experience, formal training, and/or knowledge of theory.
But for a self taught beginner, it is pretty difficult.
As I said, you did not violate any rules with your post, but it did come across as arrogant.
as advanced technically or musically as yourself. | Try to be a little more considerate of members who are not
You don't have to have formal training or knowledge of music theory to play Schism, or to write something with "complicated" timing. You just need ears and fingers.  |
06-04-2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Twelve Are you sure you didn't mean to post that in the other thread? I don't see timidbassist in here. | The mod of this forum deleted his post, so you can't see it.
I have a copy of it saved.
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06-04-2005, 06:51 PM
| | ♪♫♪ ♪ ♪ ♫♪ ♪ ♫♪♪ | | Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Royal Oak, Michigan | | | It sounds a lot more complicated because they aren't playing on any of the beats you would expect in a 3/4.
Subdividing it makes the most sense to count it as
1 & 2 & & 1 & 2 & 3 & &
at least in my mind.
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06-05-2005, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Petary791 So you guys know that song called Schism by Tool? Well I think my dad and I figured out the time signature!
At the end when Maynard's like, "I know the pieces fit", i'm pretty sure it's in one measure of 5/4 then one measure of 7/8 and it continues to alternate?
Your guys' thoughts? | Not bad - but something to ask yourself: why do you think the first is 5/4 and the second is 7/8? In other words, why are they both not /4 or /8?
If you count along, you can count "ONE two THREE four five ONE two THREE four FIVE six seven" right? Notice that you're counting both bars at the same speed. That means that if the first bar is 5/4, then the second must be 7/4, not 7/8. Though, I'd say they are actually 5/8 and 7/8.
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