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05-24-2009, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X
I have a trio recording that I'll be releasing that features the sub contra bass on the entire recording again.
The name of the CD is Trioplicity and It features Bernard Purdie on drums and guitarist Kudzai Kasambira(one of the guitarist from The LC#T).
I also have a sound library of the sub contra bass and a live drummer that I will be releasing as well.
I've attached a little snippet. |
Awesome Clip, Thanks for the heads up. I grew up listening to Bernard on B.B. King's Completely well album. That was one of those that I played over and over again. You've got to be psyched about working with him, I know I'd be  .
Good Luck and Keep us in the loop.
God Bless, Ray
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Originally Posted by RocketMusic Ray is correct! | | 
05-24-2009, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Barkless Dog I can see why. I still have trouble wrapping my brain around some of your music, which to me, is not something that immediately grabs your ear, which to most people means repetitive groove, or hook oriented more structured music, that most are accustomed to. |
Thank you for your honesty
This is not at all geared towards you.
It is not my job to baby sit the listener nor is it my job to water the music down because listeners may lack a certain level of listening experience or honest open mindedness.
If some one doesn't like,understand or maybe in some cases if they've never heard a certain type of music before then,they shouldn't dog it out especially in a situation where they try to come of as if they're a know it all and their there to educate a community that has placed trust in them.
I have heard some cd's reviewed in the two mentioned mags that really sound like some one falling down a flight of stairs and they got awesome reviews
Believe me you know when some one has actually listened to your CD
In the previous mentioned link(in this thr4ead) The bass players here at TB did more of a review than the mentioned mags in regards to any kind of review and CD sells told me what I already knew.
People want what they want and they go after it.
One of the most interesting and sad aspects of music today is that subliminally so much music has been watered down and has been shoved down listeners ears and brains that the listener has no clue that their level and potential of intelligence towards music has really been compromised. Quote:
Originally Posted by Barkless Dog I like music that challenges the listener. | And there are so many more who doesn't.
To be honest I never expect any one to like the music that I do. I just do what I do and if some likes it for what ever reason I can seriously appreciate it and thank them.
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05-24-2009, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LilRay Awesome Clip, Thanks for the heads up. I grew up listening to Bernard on B.B. King's Completely well album. That was one of those that I played over and over again. You've got to be psyched about working with him, I know I'd be  .
Good Luck and Keep us in the loop.
God Bless, Ray |
Thanks Ray. I've know Bernard for a while and we've played together a few times before the recording. He is a very real and down to earth person and of course a master of all that grooves.
I remember when I gave him a copy of The Low C# Theory and a few weeks later he says to me "So when are we going to do a cd together"
And from there we made arrangements to record the CD called Trioplicty. To be released when the time is just logically perfect. | 
05-24-2009, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X Thanks again Jimmy. I used the same Adler fretless sub contra bass with the same rig that I used on the LC#T recording. One of the reasons the bass sounds the way it does on the trio recording is that the drums are not as busy and that there is only one guitarist and the guitar playing is not as out as the dual guitar work from the first CD,so it allows the low end frequency to blend differently and be a little more up front but the bass still has that growl that is really out of this world. | Right on. 3-pc is the bassist's friend. I really miss doing the 3-pc thing. Been a long time since I did it, but boy did I love it!
And you are so right that you have to make music for yourself first and others second. So many times I hear people making music with the intent of selling a million albums, and making musical decisions on how well they think it's going to sell rather than what they think is good. I think it's perfectly OK to make commercially viable music, but when you start making decisions based on how it will sell rather than what pleases you, you're dead in the water. I don't need to tell you this, but it's a good lesson for those starting out and trying to get somewhere. In the end, you're not going to benefit by not being true to your vision.
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05-24-2009, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X Thanks Ray. I've know Bernard for a while and we've played together a few times before the recording. He is a very real and down to earth person and of course a master of all that grooves.
I remember when I gave him a copy of The Low C# Theory and a few weeks later he says to me "So when are we going to do a cd together"
And from there we made arrangements to record the CD called Trioplicty. To be released when the time is just logically perfect. | Be sure to let me know ASAP. I'm really looking forward to that one.
God Bless, Ray
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Originally Posted by RocketMusic Ray is correct! | | 
05-24-2009, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyM Right on. 3-pc is the bassist's friend. I really miss doing the 3-pc thing. Been a long time since I did it, but boy did I love it! |
Trio's really are awesome and you can gig a lot with a trio
[quote=JimmyM;7440060]And you are so right that you have to make music for yourself first and others second.
Some people think I'm arrogant for being true to doing the music for me first. I always have been true to myself and it's been the same for me when it comes to who I choose to work with.
But to be honest,I could care less. Quote:
Originally Posted by LilRay Be sure to let me know ASAP. I'm really looking forward to that one. |
Will do Ray and thank you. | 
05-25-2009, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LilRay Be sure to let me know ASAP. I'm really looking forward to that one.
God Bless, Ray | +1 Me too. | 
05-25-2009, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X It is not my job to baby sit the listener nor is it my job to water the music down because listeners may lack a certain level of listening experience or honest open mindedness.
...[snip]...
One of the most interesting and sad aspects of music today is that subliminally so much music has been watered down and has been shoved down listeners ears and brains that the listener has no clue that their level and potential of intelligence towards music has really been compromised. |
Right on. One of my favorite observations about "challenging" music came from composer Andrew Rudin; he said "Great art, almost by its very nature, is something of an elitist enterprise because it is all but impossible for truly big ideas to be put forward in terms that the least equipped or curious listener will get." | 
05-30-2009, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoover Right on. One of my favorite observations about "challenging" music came from composer Andrew Rudin; he said "Great art, almost by its very nature, is something of an elitist enterprise because it is all but impossible for truly big ideas to be put forward in terms that the least equipped or curious listener will get." |
I remember when the publisher of another bass mag told me that if he were to included a track from the CD TLC#T on the sample CD that came with his mag ,that it would just go over his subscribers heads.
I asked him how could he speak for so many others.
He also said that he would really like to help me but he just didn't know how(I thought that was extremely funny).
But I'm sure if I would have payed for some sort of advertising space he would have treated me like platinum
I told him that I thought that at least the basics of his mag would be to inform the bass community as to whats going on in it.
To be honest I think he was full of bs.
Let the listeners have the choice to like or not like something. | 
05-30-2009, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X To be honest I think he was full of bs.
Let the listeners have the choice to like or not like something. | Right on man!
This is one of the many reasons I don't read bass rags anymore. I find looking back that quite a few to the "ideas" and opinions stated in music rags [and other musicians that buy into "the way it has to be"] have been a hinderance to what I wanted to do with music in the past, such as what s a good sound, what is actually music. At some point one has to say @#$% that and go your own way. | 
05-30-2009, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X I remember when the publisher of another bass mag told me that if he were to included a track from the CD TLC#T on the sample CD that came with his mag ,that it would just go over his subscribers heads.
I asked him how could he speak for so many others.
He also said that he would really like to help me but he just didn't know how(I thought that was extremely funny).
But I'm sure if I would have payed for some sort of advertising space he would have treated me like platinum
I told him that I thought that at least the basics of his mag would be to inform the bass community as to whats going on in it.
To be honest I think he was full of bs.
Let the listeners have the choice to like or not like something. | Hey I was at that trio session! on another note I have noticed that Bass mag's have far less content than any other music performance orientated mag's;Why is that? i don't mean less ad's but less features,reviews,interviews ect.This is part of the problem with having real variety of view points,they don't have enouth room so they go with the safe.
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05-31-2009, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by willgroove2 Hey I was at that trio session! on another note I have noticed that Bass mag's have far less content than any other music performance orientated mag's;Why is that? i don't mean less ad's but less features,reviews,interviews ect.This is part of the problem with having real variety of view points,they don't have enouth room so they go with the safe. | I totally agree with the overload of crud (in most magazines actually). Seems editors devote 1/3 or less to actual content. I guess the market being driven by youth, it'd be easier to sell a young cat a mag with lots of flashy ads. IME relevency of content came with experience. I'd grab something with a "hero" on the cover, only to find 1/4 page paragraph, with little information  .
I don't get it.
God Bless, Ray
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05-31-2009, 07:48 AM
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06-01-2009, 02:06 AM
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I must say, upon first listen(used the link in the thread) I wasn't impressed, but as I listened more and more(track 6 especially) and looked at some of your videos on googlevideos, I must say, that's some funk, interesting and GOOD stuff. Not something I would have normally come across, and I must say, I'm glad I came across it.
The song "The Birth of Truth" has this great little Primus/Les Claypool circus-esque feel(Red State Girl?) at the beginning and I really like it.
The LC#T is the first recording that I've probably ever heard with the Low C#, and the way you brought it to the table is pretty damn cool in the regard that you really showcase it while holding that vital role of us bass players. I thought it was going to be just lost in the mix, or just hear a bit of rattling, but I'm very impressed.
Thanks for the links, and Jauqo, I may have to come see you play sometime soon.
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06-01-2009, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by xjeremiahx Man,
I must say, upon first listen(used the link in the thread) I wasn't impressed, but as I listened more and more(track 6 especially) and looked at some of your videos on googlevideos, I must say, that's some funk |
I think for the most part it's not about impressing the listener but because the music is not familiar,that that was the main reason the two mentioned bass mags gave the review they gave(again I had never read a bad CD review in those two mentioned mags until my CD was reviewed and that tells a lot).
And it's not like I wasn't grooving and the bonus was that there wasn't even a bsss solo on the entire CD
But to be honest the joke is on them. Quote:
Originally Posted by xjeremiahx The LC#T is the first recording that I've probably ever heard with the Low C#, | Well I have no clue if you know it or not but I was the bass player who conceived the low C# string based off of my idea/concept. The string did not exist until I had it turned into a real string and from there a few bass players decided to jump on the band wagon,(there's a couple of players who have really taken my contribution and are respectfully utilizing it in their own way). The first string company to make the string for me was Dean Markley and later it would be SIT strings.
I also came up with the concept of the instrument for the string as well.Which I call the Sub Contra bass not to be confused with the multi string bass that is referred to as a Sub contra bass.
I chose the body woods,neck and finger board woods,electronics. etc.
I had a vision and wanted/needed an instrument for my own personal use with a sound that would assist my vision that was not out there. Quote:
Originally Posted by xjeremiahx and the way you brought it to the table is pretty damn cool in the regard that you really showcase it while holding that vital role of us bass players. I thought it was going to be just lost in the mix, or just hear a bit of rattling, but I'm very impressed. | The CD came about exactly as I had envisioned. I maintained the traditional role of the bass guitar while contributing a idea/concept that is beyond valid even though I know myself that it is not for every one.A lot of bass players thought that my instrument/string concept was a joke and some of them have come around(some even apologizing for their ignorance) The bass is not lost in the mix and me and the drummer are having a blast supporting each other as well as allowing the guitars to shine in all the light they felt they needed
I believe if I was a more known bass player playing this instrument(and the 15 string bass) that things would be a whole lot different in regards to how things would play out in the bass mags as far as favoritism,A Kissing,etc goes. Quote:
Originally Posted by xjeremiahx Thanks for the links, and Jauqo, I may have to come see you play sometime soon. | You're more than welcome and Sept 7 I'll be at the Elbo Room. Come on out if you're not busy and have some fun.
And for those who may feel that this post is arrogant. No it's not, it's all about truth and how some times truth isn't what some are interested in hearing. | 
08-06-2009, 07:49 AM
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Just wanted to let you know that I finally am able to "get" or enjoy your The Low C# Theory". It has taken me some time & listening to makes sense of it.
I said earlier I enjoy music that challenges me "personally" as a listener. For me it was rewarding when that "lightbulb" moment hit me while listening. I listen to most music while working, so while working away, it just sort of hit me, when it your music played!
I had to run to the computer to see what was playing, and it was "The Low C# Theory".
Thanks for pushing the boundaries and making me use my brain in a new way. It becomes so hard to really discover something new today.
I am excited by the moment and just wanted to thank you.
John
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