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10-22-2002, 10:28 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Has anyone noticed how the Classical Charts have been besieged by manufactured groups which consist of attractive young women who appear dressed in revealing clothes on the cover? 
Thery make a "nod" to Classical music by doing versions of popular Classics and with huge Marketing Campaigns, zoom up the charts. Of course you don't need to sell so many albums to get high in these specialist charts, so the legitimate releases get pushed down and eclipsed in stores - incredibly depressing! | Might you be referring to the Medievael Baebes, or Charlotte Church? They can sing all right IMHO, but keep this image-only CRAP away from classical music, please! |
10-22-2002, 10:48 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: British Columbia, Canada | | Quote: Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
I suppose the question now is - how many of these albums are actually "Jazz" and not something else?
| As there doesn't seem to be a general consensus when it comes to defining jazz (god knows we've tried here at Talk Bass), I don't think we're in a position to tackle that question. |
10-22-2002, 11:07 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Queens, N.Y.(Near JFK Airport) | | [quote] Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
[b]I Has anyone noticed how the Classical Charts have been besieged by manufactured groups which consist of attractive young women who appear dressed in revealing clothes on the cover?
Kind of like: The Spice Girls meet Vivaldi.
Thery make a "nod" to Classical music by doing versions of popular Classics and with huge Marketing Campaigns, zoom up the charts. Of course you don't need to sell so many albums to get high in these specialist charts, so the legitimate releases get pushed down and eclipsed in stores - incredibly depressing! 
That's a very good observation, Bruce. I haven't listened to any of these groups, just looked at the CD cover photo. (Yes, I'm guilty.  )
I'll have to check out some of these groups to see if they're any good.
Mike J.
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10-22-2002, 11:09 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Queens, N.Y.(Near JFK Airport) | | Ed, we posted at the same exact moment, what could this mean? 
Mine did get in first, though. Nya-nya! 
Mike J.
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10-22-2002, 12:20 PM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote: Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
When you go to J and R and have any questions(about jazz recordings), talk to Hyland Harris. He's a drummer, a great cat and knows what he's talking about. | A lot of the specialist Jazz shops in London and around the UK have been forced to close by increasingly high rents - "Ray's" was a recent high profile case.
The big stores are frequently driven by charts as the staff don't have the specialist knowledge a sthey aren't paid well enough. So - if the charts are manipulated by Marketing it means that decent music gets pushed way down the agenda.
I find that there are still independent Classical stores - a great one in my home town - but there is nowhere to browse Jazz and the only answer seems to be to buy it off the net based on reviews etc.
A lot of the UK Jazz musicians now don't bother with shops and take copies of their CDs around with them to gigs - I've bought quite a few this way!
If Jazz CDs are to get a wider audience then it seems that the charts have to have greater "integrity" - but how do we lobby for this?
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10-22-2002, 05:48 PM
| | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Still in Margaritaville | | | Consider this. Being as the very concept of a jazz chart or any music sales chart is based on just that...music sales and which CDs have the highest sales, then the idea of having a chart based on integrityof the music charted is almost an oxymoron.
I say that because it seems that repeatedly the objection is raised here against Diana Krall, Boney James, Fourplay, etc that they do not constitute "true" jazz even though their records regularly top "jazz" charts hence "pushing down" better, more authentic jazz players.
If a jazz chart with "integrity" were proffered on a regular basis, wouldn't we soon have a similar situation...that is the highest selling artists on a regular basis on the new "Jazz Integrity" or "Pure, Uncommercial Jazz" chart would be in danger of being called sell outs and having less integrity than the chart's bottom dwellers because the chart toppers sell more records and therefore they just might be too popular, thus compromising their "true" jazz credentials.
As the general public is notorious for possessing appallingly bad taste when it comes to jazz, then the jazz artists they purchase in highest numbers must be selling out or compromising their artistry to reach that broad public.
In short, if Billboard were to offer an authentic jazz chart, it would be the kiss of death for a jazz artist to ever top that chart on a regular basis or at all. Why? Because the charts are based on top selling acts, not the most authentic or meritorious acts. Fact is, I don't know of a chart that reliably measures talent. Indeed, record charts measure sales not talent. (Once in a rare while the most talented act does reach the top; I'll grant you that.)
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